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Old 09-06-2006, 02:58 AM     Post subject: What's your value raise on this play? #1 (permalink)  
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 Op is 35/3/1.11. I have a little bit of history with op. He seems to not respect a lot of my pf raises/cont bets and can be very sporadic/schizo in post flop play with me. Not exactly sure why, I'm playing 16/8 and haven't given him any reasons to not respect my bets, at least not that I can think of. However, 5 hands before this I stacked him when I flopped a boat vs his overpair.

What do you put op on and how does this affect your decision on what to reraise to?

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SB ($74.16)
BB ($210.74)
UTG ($100)
UTG+1 ($100)
UTG+2 ($180.86)
MP1 ($107.85)
MP2 ($72.16)
MP3 ($14.50)
CO ($28.50)
Hero ($257.92)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, K. SB posts a blind of $0.50. UTG posts a blind of $1.
UTG (poster) checks, 6 folds, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($15.50) J, T, 4 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $9, BB calls $9, UTG folds.

Turn: ($33.50) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($33.50) A (2 players)
BB bets $22.75, Hero raises ???
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Old 09-06-2006, 05:15 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Push. He's probably not calling too much more and you can try to rep a missed flush or whatever. Hopefully he's steaming enough to call w/ AJ. I'm amazed at how many times this gets a call at 100NL.
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Old 09-06-2006, 05:30 AM #3 (permalink)  
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if hes really annoyed with you, talk some smack in chat.. min raise.. then watch him push.

from the HH i think hes got either 2pr (AT/AJ/TJ) or another kq for a split. he could also have a pp, thinking you missed, but he folds those hands.. by min-raising you give him a chance to try and re-bluff you..

im tired and not thinking straight, but in real life i just push river.
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Old 09-06-2006, 06:37 AM #4 (permalink)  
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$70

I don't think he's stupid enough to call a push for 2 buy-ins, but I think he likes his hand and might even push back with a lot of hands you were stacking anyway.
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 $70 sounds good, your right, but since this guys vpip is 33 and seems to have AJ/AT I think a push could easily get called. If he had AJ, I think he calls a push, but anything less he doesn't. Also could be a set.
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Loose passives can get downright tight sometimes when you push for their entire stack after they've built one up running good. Often they figure to buy-in only once, so getting stacked would end the game for them. A prospect they take very seriously.
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Old 09-06-2006, 03:27 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Yeah, I reraised to $60, he instacalled and flipped AK over.
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i think you could have gotten more. be greedy when people dont respect you, youd be surprised how much they call
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i think you could have gotten more. be greedy when people dont respect you, youd be surprised how much they call
I think undervalue betting is a major leak of mine.
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Old 09-06-2006, 06:09 PM #10 (permalink)  
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i think you could have gotten more. be greedy when people dont respect you, youd be surprised how much they call
I think undervalue betting is a major leak of mine.
and overvalue betting mine. i push this a lot and shrug if he doesn't call. However fnord makes a great point about these types of players. They see it as 'If I call and lose, do I still have money left to take the gf out on the weekend' etc. Whilst winning players look at the action and ask themselves 'Am I ahead?'

I may start experimenting with betting weird amounts that puts villain all in except for 13 bucks or whatever.
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Old 09-06-2006, 08:24 PM #11 (permalink)  
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He insta-called the $60, but if you push I doubt he insta-calls.

Without more information it's tough to say which is the better bet.

Meh, maybe it's just I'm in a small drought of calls pushing the nuts on the river.
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