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Old 10-18-2004, 09:03 PM     Post subject: Whats your take? #1 (permalink)  
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 max, 6 handed)

Button ($59.35)
SB ($29)
BB ($50.4)
UTG ($60)
Hero ($76.2)
CO ($85.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A. UTG posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $4, CO folds, Button calls $4, BB folds, UTG (poster) folds.

Flop: ($9.50) T, K, 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $5, Button calls $5.

Turn: ($19.50) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $15, Button raises to $30.


So, what's your take on the hand?

edit by fnord: fixed up the HH

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:18 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Bet more pre-flop, bet more on the flop? Check/raise the flop? Failing that, don't bet big on a bad turn card out of position.

~$30 behind to a nearly $120 pot and you have no redraw to the flush. You can be wrong more often than not and still come out ahead here. What's your read on the button?
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:28 PM #3 (permalink)  
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The flat call on the flop combined with the raise of your monster bet on the turn once the 7 hit indicates to me that they have definitely made the flush.

I don't like the 15$ bet into the board with 3 hearts on it. If you hold the A I would call the raise on the turn. Since you don't, I think it's a pretty easy laydown. The bad thing is, you are already deep into this pot.

Tough hand.
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:44 PM #4 (permalink)  
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My bad, he's tight (for 6max) and a decently clever player. 4 dollars preflop was my usual raise, and so was the flop bet, its what i did almost every hand i preraise. That lead me to believe he's got K xh. I saw him checkraise with a 4 flush twice in earlier hands leading me to my call.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed)

Button ($59.35)
SB ($29)
BB ($50.4)
UTG ($60)
Hero ($76.2)
CO ($85.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A. UTG posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $4, CO folds, Button calls $4, BB folds, UTG (poster) folds.

Flop: ($9.50) T, K, 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $5, Button calls $5.

Turn: ($19.50) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $15, Button raises to $30, Hero calls $15.

River: ($79.50) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $79.50

Hero shows [ As, Ad ] a pair of aces.
Button doesn't show [ 8d, Kc ] a pair of kings.
Hero wins $77.50 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

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Old 10-18-2004, 09:51 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Why would you just flat call the turn? He had 13 outs against you...
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Old 10-18-2004, 09:52 PM #6 (permalink)  
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My timer was running out and I couldn't decide if i had him or he had me, I made a novice mistake of just calling and preparing to call the river if it was heartless.

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Old 10-18-2004, 09:55 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Fnord - I think the turn bet Gorilla made was already too big, how could they reraise with that board? The three hearts don't concern you at all?
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Old 10-18-2004, 10:02 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by lhoney2
Fnord - I think the turn bet Gorilla made was already too big, how could they reraise with that board? The three hearts don't concern you at all?
Gorilla has just a big pair, so if he flat calls any reasonable holding by the button has outs against him. With so much money in the pot already the river is going to be a bitch to fold, so it becomes a choice. Do I want my opponent deciding how much more money goes into the pot on the river or me? If he's on a singleton heart draw or whatever I want to take away his implied odds. It also takes away position assisted bluff outs. Also factor in the freak chance you get two pair to fold. If the button folded a 13 outer here it would be a big coup for our hand.

My preference:
Fold
Push
Call

All 3 options suck as you've put yourself in a really tough spot.
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Old 10-19-2004, 07:33 PM #9 (permalink)  

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What do you guys think about these? Multi-tabling, so minimal reads. The first one really bothered me. I figured he would've raised pre-flop with AK or AQ. Set or made flush? To me it kind of felt like he was trying to push out the flush draw. Either way and should've folded or pushed with the re-raise.

On the second one, I probably should've raised more on the flop.

0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Mon Oct 18 18:37:25 EDT 2004
Table Table 12349 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Yamose ( $30.10)
Seat 2: rivercrest13 ( $35.80)
Seat 3: JaquesTati ( $39.55)
Seat 4: nickdapro ( $26.40)
Seat 5: TeddyKGB2333 ( $21.40)
Seat 6: RockinRenee ( $60.85)
Seat 7: pytelc ( $11.25)
Seat 8: aaron4325 ( $33.08)
Seat 9: Dziga ( $28.15)
Seat 10: Raigekii ( $35.15)
rivercrest13 posts small blind (0.25)
JaquesTati posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to rivercrest13 [ Ad, 7s ]
nickdapro folds.
TeddyKGB2333 calls (0.50)
RockinRenee folds.
pytelc folds.
aaron4325 calls (0.50)
Dziga calls (0.50)
Raigekii folds.
Yamose folds.
rivercrest13 calls (0.25)
JaquesTati checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, Kh, Ah ]
rivercrest13 bets (3)
JaquesTati folds.
TeddyKGB2333 folds.
aaron4325 folds.
Dziga raises (7) to 7
rivercrest13 calls (4)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4c ]
rivercrest13 checks.
Dziga bets (20.65)
Dziga is all-In.
rivercrest13 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $36.35 with Dziga
** Summary **
Main Pot: $36.35 | Rake: $0.80
Board: [ 7h Kh Ah 4c ]
Yamose balance $30.10, didn't bet (folded)
rivercrest13 balance $28.30, lost $7.50 (folded)
JaquesTati balance $39.05, lost $0.50 (folded)
nickdapro balance $26.40, didn't bet (folded)
TeddyKGB2333 balance $20.90, lost $0.50 (folded)
RockinRenee balance $60.85, didn't bet (folded)
pytelc balance $11.25, didn't bet (folded)
aaron4325 balance $32.58, lost $0.50 (folded)
Dziga balance $36.35, bet $28.15, collected $36.35, net +$8.20
Raigekii balance $35.15, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 1074283630 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Mon Oct 18 18:46:33 EDT 2004
Table Table 12616 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Kangroo ( $65.90)
Seat 3: rivercrest13 ( $24.15)
Seat 4: AAAA168 ( $48.25)
Seat 5: gutepoker ( $0)
Seat 6: CarlGauss ( $28.90)
Seat 7: mystronghand ( $44.80)
Seat 8: TonyG99 ( $36.30)
Seat 9: EmmyDales4 ( $8.55)
Seat 10: westseib ( $18.75)
Kangroo posts small blind (0.25)
rivercrest13 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to rivercrest13 [ 8c, 7d ]
AAAA168 folds.
CarlGauss calls (0.50)
mystronghand folds.
TonyG99 folds.
EmmyDales4 folds.
westseib folds.
Kangroo calls (0.25)
rivercrest13 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, Jd, 8h ]
Kangroo bets (1.40)
rivercrest13 raises (3) to 3
CarlGauss folds.
Kangroo calls (1.60)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9h ]
Kangroo bets (4)
rivercrest13 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $11.15 | Rake: $0.35
Board: [ 7h Jd 8h 9h ]
Kangroo balance $69.55, bet $7.50, collected $11.15, net +$3.65
japanair balance $7, sits out
rivercrest13 balance $20.65, lost $3.50 (folded)
AAAA168 balance $48.25, didn't bet (folded)
gutepoker balance $25, sits out
CarlGauss balance $28.40, lost $0.50 (folded)
mystronghand balance $44.80, didn't bet (folded)
TonyG99 balance $36.30, didn't bet (folded)
EmmyDales4 balance $8.55, didn't bet (folded)
westseib balance $18.75, didn't bet (folded
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