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Pants_101
Old 07-10-2007, 07:13 PM     Post subject: Whats the play on the turn? #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is unknown only have 14 hands on him. If he has a K then I want to bet but if he called with a flush draw then hmmm. I guess KJ is also possible. How to play the turn should I bet or check?

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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with A K
5 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: K 3 7 ($1.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.5, Hero raises to $4, CO calls.

Turn: J ($9.75, 2 players)
Hero???
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Old 07-10-2007, 07:42 PM #2 (permalink)  
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well. he's got $11-12 left, the pot is almost $10, you have TPTK + the NFD, I would bet about $7 and call a push.
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:11 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 3bet PF
c/r bigger on the flop if you don't 3bet. Here's a question for you, calculate the odds you're offering him on a flop call with your c/r.

I'm not sold that betting the turn in the best play, I'm trying to figure out how we get money out of a worser hand here. Don't get me wrong, I'm never folding but I dunno.
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:17 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I offered him 3-1 with the flop c/r
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Old 07-10-2007, 11:31 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Pants_101
I offered him 3-1 with the flop c/r
Yes you did, now did you actually think about that when you raised?
Two more questions:
1. Is that raise big enough
2. Does that size of the raise allow the money to get in easier on the later streets
Bonus question:
1. What was your planned bet size for the turn/river?
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:44 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I offered him 3-1 with the flop c/r
Yes you did, now did you actually think about that when you raised?
Two more questions:
1. Is that raise big enough
2. Does that size of the raise allow the money to get in easier on the later streets
Bonus question:
1. What was your planned bet size for the turn/river?
I did think about the odds I was offering although with the limited time I got it a bit wrong, I wanted to offer more like 2.5-1.

1) If he calls with a flush draw his BEP is 25% and he's about 18% to come in on the turn. If he has a worse K it's irrelevent really. If he has a pair and a flush draw then he's about 24% on the turn I think... so I think it's big enough BUT if I could get him to call a bigger raise that would be better.
2) I don't know, pot is $9.75 and he has about $11.50 left. If I'd bet another dollar he would have less than the pot behind on the turn which would be better I suppose for getting it all in.

B1) I was planning a half to 3/4 pot bet on the turn. I thought a K would come along and if he wanted to chase the draw that's up to him.

I've thought about this some more now and I think I should check the turn. If he has hit the flush he may slowplay allowing me a shot at the nuts. Or he may bet small enough to give me odds to draw. If he has a K my check may make him think I'm weaker than I am and I might win a big bet on the river I wouldn't otherwise have got called. If I check and he makes a big turn bet I probably put him on the flush and fold. If he's good enough to bluff me here or dumb enough to think a weak K is good here then he wins. Thoughts?
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:01 PM #7 (permalink)  
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did anyone mention how poor not c/b'ing the flop was? Gotta c/b that baby
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Old 07-11-2007, 04:03 PM #8 (permalink)  
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you cant cbet if you didnt raise...

Must get more aggressive <--- your quote
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Old 07-11-2007, 04:06 PM #9 (permalink)  
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sry i assumed you 3 bet PF and where in control.

EDIT: 3 bet AKo
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Old 07-11-2007, 04:17 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Guys, do you always 3 bet with AK in BB? or sometimes call/3bet depending on opp?
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Old 07-11-2007, 05:17 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Pre-flop: Mix it up.
On the turn do anything that doesn't involve your fold button. Bet into calling types, check to betting types.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:31 PM #12 (permalink)  
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play AK more aggro pf. cr a bit more on the flop.

try and get your stacks in the pot on the turn. you have the nut flush draw.
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Old 07-12-2007, 05:31 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 Stacks on the turn are small enough to be playing for them. This is a great card for you because if you were ahead before, you're probably ahead now. And if you were behind before, you are catching up the only way possible.

The reason I mention you are probably ahead now if you were ahead on the flop is because you have only been surpassed by either a flush or a weird JJ that didn't believe your flop c/r. A flush by villain is very unlikely because he raised preflop and we have the Ace.

I like another check raise here. Either he's way ahead or he's way behind, but since I don't see yourself getting away from this hand, let's try to get villain to take another stab at it.
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