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what's 2nd pair, nut flush draw worth?

  
 
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Old 01-02-2008, 03:03 AM     Post subject: what's 2nd pair, nut flush draw worth? #1 (permalink)  
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 I'm guessing that this is bad. But how bad?
Villain's range? Something like 17-6-7 if that helps

I figure QJspades/22/Ax/A2s/pp88-JJ in that order. And most likely one of the first three

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UTG ($64.45)
UTG+1 ($10.95)
MP1 ($49)
Hero ($46.10)
MP3 ($54.20)
CO ($44.05)
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SB ($68.80)
BB ($10.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, T.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3) 2, A, K (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $3, Hero raises to $6, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $24, Hero raises to $51.6 (All-In)
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 01-02-2008, 05:14 AM #2 (permalink)  
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You aren't far behind any made hand here except A 2 or 22. I can't see mp1 ever folding here though. I would figure at least 11 outs here though, maybe 14 if you count tens. Do we count Tens here is my question. It completes a straight, but if they have a straight draw it doesn't really matter how many outs we have because we are ahead to begin with. Can we put A 10 in mp1s limping range?
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