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Running Gag
Old 03-16-2005, 06:46 PM     Post subject: What would you do here #1 (permalink)  

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Ring game.

I'm in mid-position holding Jh 10h, and decide to just call. One late position player calls, and both SB and BB limp.

Flop comes Ks Qs 10c. SB bets, BB raises, I call with the open ended and the two pair/set possibility, and late position goes all in.

SB folds and BB folds. I put the late position player on a pair of Kings or possibly Queens (too fishy for two pair). There's 2000+ in the pot, and it's 1000 to call (it'd put me all in).

What do you do here?
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Old 03-16-2005, 07:11 PM #2 (permalink)  

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Have you noticed how this guy plays. Does he overplay his pocket pairs. I would say the only justification to call here is if you had him on a small pp. This is an easy fold in my opion. I am curious to see how other would play this.
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Old 03-16-2005, 07:13 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Stack sizes, blind sizes, general notes about opponents?

Also, did you open up the action with a limp or limp behind someone?

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Old 03-16-2005, 07:15 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I'd fold. I would put one of them on the straight already, maybe not the nuts, but at least J-9, which would be more likely than A-J after limping pre-flop. That reduces your outs already, and if they both have either a J or an Ace you are looking at even fewer outs.

I don't like the draw in this situation, too many cards in your outs that people would be raising with, even if they don't have the straight, which I think one of them does.
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Old 03-16-2005, 07:23 PM #5 (permalink)  
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i'd say fold as well.

going all in on a draw i think is always too risky unless you're short stacked.

even if you get the str8 you might split the pot!

i'd already be weary here after the bet and re-raise here, calling to draw with the potential of getting another raise can cost you big time.
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Old 03-16-2005, 07:25 PM #6 (permalink)  

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Blinds are 20/40.

Stack size, I was sittin' around 1500 (had 2600 earlier, but had slowly been bleedin' them away).

Reads were that most of them were fishy, none of them liked raising PF (even with premium hands), and they all liked schooling, which was why I was calling with J10. Read was that late position had either Queens or Kings (with almost any kicker possible), and that he was raising all in to protect.

I opened the action with a limp.
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Old 03-16-2005, 07:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Blinds are 20/40.

Stack size, I was sittin' around 1500 (had 2600 earlier, but had slowly been bleedin' them away).

Reads were that most of them were fishy, none of them liked raising PF (even with premium hands), and they all liked schooling, which was why I was calling with J10. Read was that late position had either Queens or Kings (with almost any kicker possible), and that he was raising all in to protect.

I opened the action with a limp.
Fold to the bet and the raise. Two pair outs and trip outs could easily be tainted. Also, you may be drawing for a split.

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Old 03-16-2005, 07:36 PM #8 (permalink)  

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Results real quick:

SB had Js 6s, which he folded to the all-in.
BB (reraiser) had pocket 8s (?!?).

Late position had Ad Qd.

My reasoning real quick: I figured the all-in would chase out all the draws, so that I was in the clear if mine hit. Once both SB and BB folded, and it was HU, I knew I was a 2:1 dog if late position had only a King or Queen, and that I would have pot odds to call. In this case, I spiked an As on the river (thank God the flush draw folded), and I dragged the pot.

I wouldn't normally make such a call, but I figured with the people I was playing against, my outs would be live, and I wouldn't be dominated. Am I completely off the mark here?
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