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bigteif
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06-04-2008, 05:14 AM
Post subject: What should I do with this hand
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3-of-a-Kind
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The villain is 43/28 only 17 hands with him. I'm not really sure if this was a correct fold. I figured i was behind his range because of draws and sets and two pairs and Ak. I'm not really sure though. Any thoughts.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($24.90)
SB ($7.95)
Hero ($17.15)
UTG ($12.70)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($7.65)
MP2 ($9.85)
CO ($6.50)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q , K.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 raises to $0.4, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30, MP1 calls $0.30.
Flop: ($1.25) 8 , K , 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.5, Hero raises to $1.5, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $5, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $4.25
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Keilah
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Please, you need to show AF along with VP$IP and PFR. Gigantic difference between 43/28/3 and 43/28/1. If his AF is >2 I shove here, if <1 I fold. Between 1 and 2 takes a better read, but if you don't know that he never folds to raises then I'd just drop the hand here until you have more information. But you probably already have it - look for his folding and raising and 3betting frequencies.
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sil693
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I'd just fold this preflop - you're out of position on every street. I think if you're going to play it 3betting would be better based on his stats although its not over many hands.
IMO folding>3betting>calling
As played just bet out on the flop about $1 and when he raises do what Keilah said depending on his AF.
This is why I think folding pre is best - if a K flops you still have no idea if you're good. If you were on the button I think calling is better than it is from the BB.
Just my thoughts - I'm no balla or anything.
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daven
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i don't like pre-flop. Fold or 3-bet.
Flop line looks good. nh.
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badgers
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Originally Posted by Keilah
Please, you need to show AF along with VP$IP and PFR. Gigantic difference between 43/28/3 and 43/28/1. If his AF is >2 I shove here, if <1 I fold. Between 1 and 2 takes a better read, but if you don't know that he never folds to raises then I'd just drop the hand here until you have more information. But you probably already have it - look for his folding and raising and 3betting frequencies.
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Aggression factor is meaningless over such a small sample.
shove>everything else, however i think leading the flop is better line.
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Deanglow
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Sorry guys but I hate most advice given in this thread. Calling preflop is fine and reraising the hand just to get 4bet is a waste of value. On the flop check/call. Leading and checkraising both put you in tougher spots. And if you are checkraising it's silly to fold to a shove.
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bigteif
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Originally Posted by badgers
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Originally Posted by Keilah
Please, you need to show AF along with VP$IP and PFR. Gigantic difference between 43/28/3 and 43/28/1. If his AF is >2 I shove here, if <1 I fold. Between 1 and 2 takes a better read, but if you don't know that he never folds to raises then I'd just drop the hand here until you have more information. But you probably already have it - look for his folding and raising and 3betting frequencies.
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Aggression factor is meaningless over such a small sample.
shove>everything else, however i think leading the flop is better line. |
Ya that's why I didn't post it 17 hands i figure every other stat is meaningless.
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d0zer
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Why check/raise this?
Given villain's aggression, it may be just better to let him bluff off chips here & take a passive line down, unless you see him calling with worse here. If the flush completes, it should be easy to get away from if someone goes crazy.
It's a 3-way, so any heavy action (like a bet/raise) from the MPs should tell you pretty quick if you're beat.
I rarely call pre with high cards when I'm gunna be OOP, but this villain looks like just the kind I would. When I do call from the blinds, I usually opt for a passive line, expecting this aggro villain to take stabs at 2 or 3 streets.
I'm not quite sure how I feel about this play yet given how much you miss the flop, or end up getting leveled by a maniac who's woken up with a real hand. I almost prefer to do it vs shorties so I don't end up in stick deepstack situations OOP like this one, but if It's just a shorty-targeting play, then are the implied odds there to justify the preflop call?
*runs down to the lab to perform some calculations*
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Keilah
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My bad didn't notice you had so few hads on him.
My advice was for as played, personally I'd be check/calling every street and laughing when he shows down j4o.
And Dozer, it's definitely more comfortable to take these lines against shorties, but despite higher variace I've found flatting stupd aggros with TPMK+ to be very +EV.
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Seabass
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06-05-2008, 07:57 AM
Post subject: Re: What should I do with this hand
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I like a call rather then a 3b due to the very few hands you have on him. Even tho 43/28 look like a donk you cant be sure over 17 hands. It's very possible he is running a bit hot, I've had "worse" stats then that over a small sample without doing anything other then playing a tight normal game.
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Originally Posted by bigteif
I'm not really sure though.
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You cant be, so c/c rather then c/r on the flop.
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Ragnar4
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You have top pair 2nd kicker,
Why would you enter this hand without being willing to go to the wire with something the actions suggests is a pretty good hand. 888 and 444 are all possiblities, but does this guy play sets straightforward? My guess, at these stakes... no. I think you're ahead here. So folding the raise to $5 is the exact opposite of what I'd do here.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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Originally Posted by d0zer
Given villain's aggression, it may be just better to let him bluff off chips here & take a passive line down, unless you see him calling with worse here. If the flush completes, it should be easy to get away from if someone goes crazy.
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