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richardwe
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05-12-2005, 02:42 PM
Post subject: What now?
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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A MTT game (free roll)
Early in the tournament I get dealt King of Spades and Queen of Diamonts sitting at the BB
bettings pre flop:
Dashiva_swe calls 20
fold
fold
guggwn_ calls 20
fold
fold
Garfeild calls 20
SB calls 10
Me raises 60 everyone xcept for the SB calls
Flop 7 Ace 8 all spades!!
I bet 140
Am raised 240 by dashiva and get a all in by Guggen behind me (1200)
Im sitting quite well with my King of spades but the chance of having a flush behing me is there aswell. what should I have done?
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The_Cheat
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lay it down
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Biren
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If you do catch your flush, you will most likely take the pot since the Ace is on the board and you are holding the King. But chances are, someone has caught their flush, and it would be gutsy to chase that flush.
Let it go this time.
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dalecooper
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I don't really see the dilemma - you're way behind somebody. Someone in this hand either has a made flush or at least an ace; you have no pair and a flush draw. Pot odds aren't great unless dashiva calls the all-in, and you can't count on that to happen. Even so you're basically looking at a 2 to 1 draw on a 2 to 1 pot - this is barely a break-even call even if it becomes a three way all-in. Personally I'd say if you're trying to stay in this thing a while longer, there's no reason to call this. If you're just looking to build a big stack and maybe win in a tournament that otherwise you probably don't have much of a shot at, maybe calling here isn't a bad move. Arguably, it's a 1 in 3 chance at tripling up and that increases your odds of winning the whole thing significantly. Unless you keep making these kinds of calls. 
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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what are stack sizes? Assuming they are all equal ish I say gamble. You showed strength pre and post flop, neither of them seem to be scared of the A, I think it's likely they both have one. If Dashiva calls as well you're getting around the right price to chase the draw, and I have to think they are calling after re raising the pre flop raiser.
Now if this were a large buyin tourney I'd say wait for a better spot, but this is a free roll, you're going to have to gamble some.
Also I'm not sure why you're worried about someone having a lower flush - you're drawing at the nut.
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The_Cheat
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
Also I'm not sure why you're worried about someone having a lower flush - you're drawing at the nut.
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i bolded the keyword there. pick a better spot to put your chips in the middle. its early. you have time. and that fourth spade is NOT coming
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
The english prefer tea and crumpets. Americans prefer to kick your ass.
-'rilla
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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If you're just looking to build a big stack and maybe win in a tournament that otherwise you probably don't have much of a shot at
This is where I'm at as well. If you're looking to play patient, solid poker I don't think free rolls are the way to go.
What kind of hand could Dashiva have that he limped pre flop, called a raise pre flop, then re-raised with 3 spades out, THEN lay down when he's getting 3-1?
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dalecooper
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
Also I'm not sure why you're worried about someone having a lower flush - you're drawing at the nut.
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I'd be worried about it - it kills two of your flush outs, and means you don't have ANY outs except the flush (for example runner kings or king-queen won't help you).
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H Dogg
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Yeah, what's the issue? You arent supposed to chase flushes unless there are some other reads or odds in that particular hand.
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