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Ivory
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09-18-2005, 11:19 PM
Post subject: what now?
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Straight
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a situation i just got into, picked up aa raised it to 6 times the big blind 2 callers.
flop
8 q 2 rainbow
i bet the pot 9$
player to my left all in quickly
what now?
edit: pot stands at 42$ and costs me about 20$ more to call
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call... the pot is too big to lay this down
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shysti
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Full House
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Let me know if they flopped two pair on u lol.
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Ivory
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Straight
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instinct told me only person to make that move was trips. but why would he go all in on a non scary flop with trips? i called he showed trip 8's 
his play makes no sense to me...the only thing he achieved by going all in was "almost " causing me to fold.
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Originally Posted by Ivory
instinct told me only person to make that move was trips. but why would he go all in on a non scary flop with trips? i called he showed trip 8's :?
his play makes no sense to me...the only thing he achieved by going all in was "almost " causing me to fold.
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I knew he had exactly trip eights BECAUSE you posted it but that doesn't help you :)
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Ivory
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
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lol nope that doesnt help me. but was i right in making the call, if he didnt go all in i would have made atleast one more big bet anyway so i'm not bothered about losing. what i wondered is does his play make sense?
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EricE
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Full House
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I wouldn’t call. The biggest problem with high PP is that you overvalue them. We all do at times. It is ONLY one pair.
OK, so a player will only flop two pair 2% of the time and will hit a set ~12% of the time (if they hold PP). You now have 14% chance you are beaten on the flop against one opp. If two others saw the flop then each of them have the same chances. What are the chances your one pair are still good against 2 callers? (is it 72% I am still good against two opps with unknown holdings?) Anyway, I don’t call this without a read.
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Ivory
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Straight
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the only reason i called was because it didnt make sense... ahh well
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PokerPatNEU
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Full House
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Unlike Erick, i never FOLD this without a read. If the stacks were deeper it'd be a tough decision. Getting 2:1 to call, i don't see how you can really lay this down unless your read says that your opponent is super tight.
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Rondavu
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If your preflop 6xBB raise was out of the ordinary for you, then his flop push made sense because he put you on a high pocket. Doing this at the right time accomplishes two things... It strikes while high pocket is feeling saucy, and it doesn't allow scare cards for high pocket to come and dry the pot up. Say you had KK and he decided to slowplay. If an ace hits the turn KK won't pay off trips.
-He put you on high pocket
-He wants all his money in on the flop
-He doesn't want it to be a check raise (scarier)
Makes sense to me.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Ivory
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
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stacks at the time were me 190$ and change him 30$... i had a gut instinct he had trips but like i said his play didn't make sense to me...he just sat down so no read. lesson learned! 
but still if he had trips and puts me on high pockets, making that m0ve on the flop is more likely (depending on my read and instinct) to make me fold, but alas he just sat down so i had no read and ignored my instinct.
edit: your point about an ace hitting is a good one and i've taken this into consideration for my own game 
although i still think the fold equity? for his move is too high to make it a good thing
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Originally Posted by Ivory
stacks at the time were me 190$ and change him 30$... i had a gut instinct he had trips but like i said his play didn't make sense to me...he just sat down so no read. lesson learned! :oops:
but still if he had trips and puts me on high pockets, making that m0ve on the flop is more likely (depending on my read and instinct) to make me fold, but alas he just sat down so i had no read and ignored my instinct.
edit: your point about an ace hitting is a good one and i've taken this into consideration for my own game :cool:
although i still think the fold equity? for his move is too high to make it a good thing
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But I doubt you post about the bad players who do this move with K4o
You just laugh and yell "DO YOU SEE WHY????"
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Ivory
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Straight
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no because if i call them i have a good read....this was a strange situation
do you see why?
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Checkways
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Straight
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ivory
instinct told me only person to make that move was trips. but why would he go all in on a non scary flop with trips? i called he showed trip 8's
his play makes no sense to me...the only thing he achieved by going all in was "almost " causing me to fold. |
He pushed because he knew you would call. If another Q comes out, then that would work against him in this situation. Better to get it all in before the turn conspires against him. He's a short stack afterall.
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Checkways
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09-20-2005, 07:26 AM
Post subject: Re: what now?
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ivory
a situation i just got into, picked up aa raised it to 6 times the big blind 2 callers.
flop
8 q 2 rainbow
i bet the pot 9$
player to my left all in quickly
what now?
edit: pot stands at 42$ and costs me about 20$ more to call
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You have to call. A short stack with AQ plays it the same way. So does KK. And if he's really desperate as short stacks get, he'd call with any variety of Q's preflop.
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