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nutsinho
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01-12-2006, 05:20 PM
Post subject: what have I gotten myself into
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4-of-a-Kind
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PP 100NL no reads, haven't been at the table long
I have $100, villain covers.
I have AJo in mid position....there is one poster, blinds, and a utg limp in the pot.....looks like I'm gonna have to try to steal this one. I raise to 5. BB calls. The rest fold. $13 in the pot.
flop is J66 rainbow. He leads for 13. I call. Turn is a K, 38 in the pot. He leads for 40, I put the rest in...
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IowaSkinsFan
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Raise the flop, top pair Jack isn't god, so don't play it slow. You need to find out if he has a worthful hand, or if it was a continuation bet.
This is why you get screwed on the turn. He could easily have a K, i would fold turn i think
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Warpe
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With his pot sized lead-out and then 40 on the turn I'm putting him on KJ. He could be holding JJ as well but either way I think you're beat. Can't see something stupid like A6, but he could have AJ too. Think I'm folding here...
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nutsinho
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finky
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Well, no better hands will fold (maybe QQ but thats unlikely) so what hands are you extracting value from? QJ/J10 maybe but without a read I don't like it. If you smell a bluff why not call see if he continues?
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bdawg56kg
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Originally Posted by finky
Well, no better hands will fold (maybe QQ but thats unlikely) so what hands are you extracting value from? QJ/J10 maybe but without a read I don't like it. If you smell a bluff why not call see if he continues?
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That's exactly what I'm thinking. Without any kind of read I hate this play though. Pushing with a very marginal hand into serious strength without any reads is a recipe for disaster IMO. Hope it worked out for you though.
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Warpe
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You've lost me (but I'm not that bright)....BB calls your pre-flop raise, then pots it on the flop which you call, then pots it on the turn and you raise all-in with what is very possibly the 2nd best hand. Are you making a read based on his betting pattern? What am I missing?
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nutsinho
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Ok, I'll explain already. Leading out on that type of flop for the full pot against a serious preflop raise is very nonstandard. Thus, I thought about this play for a while. It's very unlikely he called this raise from the BB with a 6 in his hand. Also, he certainly wouldnt do this with JJ. Calling this raise from the BB with KJ or Jx is also quite unlikely. I think the most likely hands are TT-77 trying to find out if I've got an overpair since a J isnt likely to help my hand and two sixes certainly aren't either. He also may have AJ or QQ. If he's doing something extremely tricky with a big pair I'll pay it off but i doubt it. Thus, I think I'm ahead of his range here and if I raise I'll kill the action. Thus, I tank for about 15 sec then call trying to represent a whiffed AK that doesn't know what to do.
On the turn he bets 40 again into a 38$ pot. Any possible hand that has me killed (6, JJ, AA-KK) is value betting at this point, not betting a huge amount into this pot. Thus, I actually sense desperation here and notice that everything in the hand range I put him on would probably fold if I pushed, even getting such good odds. This is key to why I push instead of just call. I figure AJs to be even more likely than I did previously, and I don't want to just split this pot; I want the whole thing. So I push.
He folded after about five seconds of thought.
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Warpe
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Leading out on that type of flop for the full pot against a serious preflop raise is very nonstandard.
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Ah. True. Most of the time it gets checked to the raiser...Still, you're putting a awful lot of faith in your read. Not sure I would have had the cahones to take the line you did.
Very interesting hand. Glad you posted it.
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