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Pants_101

05-16-2007, 06:09 PM Post subject: What to do on the turn? $10NL

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What should I do on the turn? Without the ace I would fold, as it is I am unsure

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1.95
UTG+1: $10.99
MP1: $9.34
MP2: $2.08
Hero: $12.28
CO: $9.85
Button: $1.59
SB: $12.54
BB: $10.55

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with A

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 6

($0.5, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.4, MP1 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Turn: A

($1.3, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.8, Hero ???

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Jimmy Mac

05-16-2007, 06:27 PM

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Fold probably, unless u think he's fos or will pay off big on the river. Our pair outs may well be no good, and we're not getting odds to draw to the flush. Often a spade on the river will freeze the villain up, so it might be tough to get paid.

drtofu66

05-16-2007, 08:08 PM

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Unless you have a read that villain is really bad, I fold. I don't see how we're ahead here. I think we're up against KQ, JsTs, KsJs, or 66 vs decent 10NL players or A6, AQ, AK against bad ones. Turning TPNK isn't enough for me to want to play a big pot with this action IMHO.

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05-16-2007, 09:09 PM

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Forget the fact that you are on a draw because you don't have the greatest of odds to be calling. He's either bluffing or you have 9-11 outs, so it's really read dependant.

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litetruck

05-16-2007, 09:23 PM

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Anyone like a flop raise for a possible free turn card?

Miffed22001

05-17-2007, 08:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by litetruck

Anyone like a flop raise for a possible free turn card?

god yeah, you took the words outta my mouth. Lets raise to $1/1.2 on the flop and bomb the shit outta the turn.

Pants_101

05-17-2007, 11:18 AM

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When I pick up a pair and a flush or oesd I'm happy to go to war with it, but you think there's value in playing a draw like this that fast?

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MuddyWicket

05-17-2007, 01:50 PM

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Miffed could you expand on the things your considering to reraise the flop? If called and checked to on turn what are you betting if you miss your flush draw?

in a sng i'd probably shove or fold...but this is cash.

Vrax

05-17-2007, 08:21 PM

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I'll give it a shot. If I'm wrong, I hope, Miffed will correct me...

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Originally Posted by MuddyWicket

Miffed could you expand on the things your considering to reraise the flop? If called and checked to on turn what are you betting if you miss your flush draw?

You have NUT flush draw plus overcard and backdoor broadway draw. The deeper the stacks are, the more value your had has, because you have outs to the nuts. 3 outs to pair of Aces can be insurance policy if villain can't fold weak pair to flop pressure.

By raising on cheap street with strong draw you put pressure on weaker hands (like KJish pairs) and can fold them off their equity. Stronger hands (2p, sets) may smoothcall and go to trapping mode by going for check/raise on turn. Then you can peel the river by checking behind - which is cheaper than flatcalling two potsized barrels.

Raising flop with draw and seeing free river can backfire of course - opponent can 3bet AI, donk turn or bluff you off on river if it bricks (and he has also some draw, like JT or lower spades). But in most cases it's nice deceptive play and if you don't overuse it, you have deception and lots of fold equity on your side.

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bigspenda73

05-17-2007, 08:46 PM

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Raise flop BIG.

The free card thing is not really a NL concept.

The free card is a play where you raise the flop a lesser amount than you would like to call on the turn. It's a limit play, and an effective one. But in NL it is not quite as effective.

The flop raise should be for 4 reasons:

1. Villain may fold a better hand (this is a semi-bluff bet)
2. We build a larger pot so it is easier to get all the money in when we hit
3. It disguises our hand
4. We hopefully fold out more of our outs

Stagemn

05-17-2007, 09:16 PM

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Raise flop to like $2... bet 1/2-2/3 pot with Ace up on turn. Value bet river.

This a read dependant hand for me. Loose/Tight? I put him on Kx, maybe even FD as well.

MuddyWicket

05-18-2007, 08:12 AM

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Thx guys. food for thought. The free card is not something I've tried doing before and something I need to consider ops may be up to. There is so much more to consider in cash that I haven't encountered in a sng.

I have been making this move to inflate the pot for when I hit but I realised I'm not totally sure of myself and the hands I should be doing it with. I suspect with the weaker draws (middle pair + oesd) it becomes more read dependant.

Pants_101

05-18-2007, 10:34 AM

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This is interesting, I may try being more aggro with some draws and see how it works out

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