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10-17-2007, 01:39 AM
Post subject: What to do with this super disgusting river?
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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
8 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.15
UTG+1: $3.50
MP1: $3.60
Hero: $10.50
CO: $3.55
Button: $8.15
SB: $1.90
BB: $10.70
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with 6  6 
3 folds, Hero calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.
Flop: 6  5 5 ($0.35, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.
Turn: K ($0.35, 3 players)
BB bets $0.8, Hero raises to $3, Button folds, BB calls.
River: 5  ($6.35, 2 players)
BB bets $3.3
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Go allin he is much more likely to have a K. Why no bet on the flop? Any reads? In MP I tend to raise any pair in an unopened pot.
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Go allin he is much more likely to have a K. Why no bet on the flop? Any reads? In MP I tend to raise any pair in an unopened pot.
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I think it's pretty acceptable to slowplay this type of FH on the flop to let someone catch a draw or better on the turn.
You don't think his flop action + turn action screams "I HAVE A 5 IN MY HAND WEEEE!!!!"? After his turn bet I immediately put him on a 5. Anyone else?
Also, for future replies to this thread, I'm not really interested in hearing whether or not you would raise preflop (No offense Dean).
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3 Kings, 1 Five.
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His line is sooo classic for flopped trips out of the blinds. I've seen it a million times. A K does not normally overbet the turn.
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3 Kings, 1 Five.
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so what is your move on the river? push?
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I probably just call river.
Bet flop, though. 77, 88, 44, overs, etc, call or raise here from time to time. There really is only one reason to slowplay: Opposition is a really bad bluffer who isn't bothered by your check/calling line.
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Also, for future replies to this thread, I'm not really interested in hearing whether or not you would raise preflop
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ok, noted.
I raise flop here, but hear your reasoning (understand, but would never play it this way myself, i think you know why).
Turn I like.
River and bet. Line looks more like 555kk than 5555 but I probably just call, not convinced that 555kk is calling a push, plus you could get stacked. Calling you need to win 1 in 4 right, and you're winning more than 1 in 4 here.
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Also, for future replies to this thread, I'm not really interested in hearing whether or not you would raise preflop
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ok, noted.
I raise flop here, but hear your reasoning (understand, but would never play it this way myself, i think you know why).
Turn I like.
River and bet. Line looks more like 555kk than 5555 but I probably just call, not convinced that 555kk is calling a push, plus you could get stacked. Calling you need to win 1 in 4 right, and you're winning more than 1 in 4 here. |
daven, what do you put villain on after the turn bet and call?
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His line is sooo classic for flopped trips out of the blinds. I've seen it a million times. A K does not normally overbet the turn.
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3 Kings, 1 Five.
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so what is your move on the river? push? |
I think it would be a mistake not to. He isn't going to fold a King to a shove. The only hands that beat him are A-A/K-K/6-6/5-x. None of those are very likely (if you reasonably exclude A-A, only 3 possible hand combinations beat him). You could be pushing one of several combinations of K-x, and he would be getting the right price to call to find out.
I didn't notice the bet sizing before, but i wouldn't give it too much thought.
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10-17-2007, 04:31 AM
Post subject: Re: What to do with this super disgusting river?
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What to do with this super FUCKING AWESOME river?
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you do know you beat Kx right?
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Yes, I know I beat Kx and I know Kx calls a shove but I cannot see Kx playing the turn like villain did.
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its 5c10c
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daven, what do you put villain on after the turn bet and call?
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fair question. Hard to tell after you didn't bet the flop... your graph in jack's thread suggests the outcome, but ignoring that I say 50-50 Kx/5x. KK I don't even consider. I see $10nl people playing the turn like this without trips frequently (although 6-max vs FR). I thought about this a lot longer and still say call.
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What to do with this super FUCKING AWESOME river?
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nope, it's horrible.
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in case anyone is wondering i didn't fold and i wouldn't fold here.
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its 5c10c
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doesn't matter there are still betting patterns at this level.
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daven, what do you put villain on after the turn bet and call?
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fair question. Hard to tell after you didn't bet the flop... your graph in jack's thread suggests the outcome, but ignoring that I say 50-50 Kx/5x. KK I don't even consider. I see $10nl people playing the turn like this without trips frequently (although 6-max vs FR). I thought about this a lot longer and still say call.
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What to do with this super FUCKING AWESOME river?
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nope, it's horrible. |
oh em gee, we went from having the 2nd nuts to the third nuts, someone call a wambulance
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its 5c10c
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doesn't matter there are still betting patterns at this level. |
i hate using the whole "its only 10nl/25nl" line, but in this case it applies. Villain has Kx here WAY more than 5x and isnt folding to a push. It may be semi-thin +EV, but its +EV.
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don't people usually wait until the river to make their overbets with their horribly slowplayed monsters? that has been my experience anyways.
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So almost every one one of you believe that villain checks the flop, overbets the $0.35 pot on the turn, and then calls a $3 raise with Kx way more often than with 5x? I should have just posted action up until the river and asked what everyone puts villain on. I'm pretty sure most of you would have put him on 5x if you didn't see the 5 on the river.
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raise PF and avoid him holding Q5o?
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raise PF and avoid him holding Q5o?
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thanks for that
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raise PF and avoid him holding Q5o?
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thanks for that |
omg tell me he had Q5o
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raise PF and avoid him holding Q5o?
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thanks for that |
omg tell me he had Q5o |
lol no he didn't sorry. what do you think about the hand though spenda? what do you do on the river?
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wow another one. i really am surprised at all the pushing going on.
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don't people usually wait until the river to make their overbets with their horribly slowplayed monsters? that has been my experience anyways.
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yes but not usually with trips. they do constantly with nut flushes and better but not trips.
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With the style that I play I could get all my money in the middle and feel really good about it whether I won or lost the hand, if you felt like you were beat in the situation you should fold
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raise PF and avoid him holding Q5o?
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thanks for that |
omg tell me he had Q5o |
lol no he didn't sorry. what do you think about the hand though spenda? what do you do on the river? |
I have trouble not shoving really just b/c there's more King combos like everyone has said and he's not folding a king. Unfortunately YOU look like you have a five, which is gross that he's leading into you. I still shove though but I wouldn't be surprised to be shown a 5/K/77/88/99
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Unfortunately YOU look like you have a five, which is gross that he's leading into you. I still shove though but I wouldn't be surprised to be shown a 5/K/77/88/99
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exactly. i'm repping 5x and he does not care which should be a red flag imo. who plays Kx/77/88/99 like this on the turn? i think there's like a 1% chance that Kx does and i honestly can't see anything like 77-99 doing this ever.
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At this level, I think it's a mistake to think your opponents have a similar thought process to you. Heck, a lot of players at my level are pretty retarded.
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Unfortunately YOU look like you have a five, which is gross that he's leading into you. I still shove though but I wouldn't be surprised to be shown a 5/K/77/88/99
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exactly. i'm repping 5x and he does not care which should be a red flag imo. who plays Kx/77/88/99 like this on the turn? i think there's like a 1% chance that Kx does and i honestly can't see anything like 77-99 doing this ever. |
alright, then fold the river I guess.
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It's much closer to a 1% chance he DOESN'T have a king. 77-99 is a stretch but still plausible. Shove all day sir. You're posts are just dying to convince us he has a 5 but I think you're being results oriented.
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It's much closer to a 1% chance he DOESN'T have a king. 77-99 is a stretch but still plausible. Shove all day sir. You're posts are just dying to convince us he has a 5 but I think you're being results oriented.
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lol alright i guess i'll give it up. i knew he had quads as soon as the river came out. i just couldn't bring myself to fold. i called, he showed his quads and i felt a little bad for not folding and a little good for not losing my whole stack. i really am surprised though at how many ppl think Kx plays the turn like that. oh well. time to move on i guess.
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be happy he doesn't know Zeeeeeeeeeeeebo and you saved yourself a happy meal.
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be happy he doesn't know Zeeeeeeeeeeeebo and you saved yourself a happy meal.
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LOL @ the Joe The Pro reference.
He's hilarious.
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