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benny999
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04-16-2006, 11:05 PM
Post subject: what to do with AQs pre flop here?
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this table had 60% of players seeing-flop, and a weak read on villian (new to table but saw him in a few hands including a big bluff) says he is LAG. my main question is dealing with AQ OOP vs a LAG pre flop.
with the min-reraise, my logic is calling makes it easier for him to float while gaining no info on his hand. so is it better to just fold pre flop or reraise to re-establish initiative and possibly better define his hand, but basically be pot-comitted if he calls and i hit TP or maybe face check/folding the flop? would anyone just call pre flop?
secondary question is if you would re-re-raise this pre flop, what would you do on this flop and turn (if it made it to the turn)?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($19.70)
UTG+1 ($15.45)
Hero ($24.25)
MP2 ($21.85)
MP3 ($1.10)
CO ($57.35)
Button ($50.80)
SB ($30.95)
BB ($2.70)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q , A.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.5, 2 folds, CO raises to $3, 3 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds or raises to $x, CO folds or calls $x.
Flop: (35-50bb) T , J, Q (2 players)
Hero???
Turn: 2 (2 players)
Hero???
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Lukie
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Checks and folds. You beat exactly nothing.
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ttanaka
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I don't like calling a re-raise w/ AQ out of position.
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benny999
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it seems weak, but i think your right...folding pre-flop, even to a min-reraise from a LAG, is best. anyone play it different?
my main question is about playing this pre-flop, but yea - that flop was nasty and turn was worse. less-likely hands i beat if he calls a rereraise pre flop = pp lower than 10s, AJ/AT, pair/str8 draw, flush-draw...more-likely hands that KILL me = str8, set, over pair, two pair, etc.
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ensign_lee
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Against a bona-fide LAG, reraise preflop, $6. Continuation bet like you mean it, regardless of the flop results. After seeing this flop, hope that the LAG gives you credit and folds.
Against a normal player, call preflop. Once you see the flop, go *#^%, continuation bet, and hope he folds. I mean, you do have TPTK, but really, you're beating nearly nothing here.
In neither situation do you really want to be betting past the flop.
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benny999
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if i reraise pre flop the pot swells to $13-$15, and I'd have $16-$18 left, so a normal bet/c-bet of $10 or so almost pot-commit me...except here it's probably worth it to say **** and check/fold the turn even with around 6:1 to bet/call the rest off.
im starting to get what some people mean when they say building a big pot pre flop w/ aq OOP can suck.
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r8ed
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I recently stopped calling bets/raises w/ AQ/KQ/AJ preflop unless I have a good read on an opp. It's been s ahort period but the results seem positive. I think you're losing some mid-large pots or winning small-mid pots. Over time this can't be good.
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Miffed22001
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gotta cal preflop i think. But that flop is teh_gross!
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