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KingLizard
Old 04-01-2006, 06:06 PM     Post subject: Well the move up didn't go so well #1 (permalink)  
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Sorry but I cannot get the converter to work so here are the 3 hands that defined my move up from 25NL to 50NL.

Hand #1 - probably my 20th hand played at 50NL

Texas Hold'em $0.50-$1 NL (real money),
Table Leverkusen, 31 Mar 2006 7:54 PM ET

Seat 1: ZAMURO ($81.95 in chips)
Seat 2: wil 97 ($57.00 in chips)
Seat 3: Jay Rye ($30.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero [ KH,AD ] ($53.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Savage12 ($58.65 in chips)
Seat 6: PeekReus ($35.25 in chips)
Seat 7: SmartPic1 ($49.00 in chips)
Seat 8: Balso Snell ($48.15 in chips)
Seat 9: isac808 ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 10: ToDaRiver ($20.15 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
PeekReus posts blind ($0.25), SmartPic1 posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP
Balso Snell folds, isac808 folds, ToDaRiver folds, ZAMURO folds, wil 97 folds, Jay Rye folds, Hero bets $2.50, Savage12 calls $2.50, PeekReus folds, SmartPic1 folds.

FLOP [board cards 2S,7C,AH ]

** OK ... TPTK ... let's give it a go **

Hero bets $3, Savage12 bets $6, Hero bets $15, Savage12 bets $50.15 and is all-in, Hero calls $33.25 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards 2S,7C,AH,9C ]

RIVER [board cards 2S,7C,AH,9C,3D ]

Hand #2 - about 10 minutes later on my 2nd table

Texas Hold'em $0.50-$1 NL (real money),
Table Southlake, 31 Mar 2006 8:10 PM ET

Seat 2: hussle6210 ($107.05 in chips)
Seat 3: salmonfries ($36.65 in chips)
Seat 4: 01wingdangel ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 5: freeadam ($18.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Balso Snell ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero [ AH,AS ] ($40.00 in chips)
Seat 8: warebel ($50.00 in chips)
Seat 9: loritoo ($73.80 in chips)
Seat 10: Gutshot Jack ($35.80 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
Hero posts blind ($0.25), warebel posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP
loritoo folds, Gutshot Jack calls $0.50, hussle6210 folds, salmonfries calls $0.50, 01wingdangel calls $0.50, freeadam folds, Balso Snell folds, Hero bets $2, warebel folds, Gutshot Jack calls $1.75, salmonfries calls $1.75, 01wingdangel folds.

FLOP [board cards 8S,10C,7H ]

** OK ... again TPTK **
Hero bets $5, Gutshot Jack calls $5, salmonfries folds.

TURN [board cards 8S,10C,7H,6S ]
Hero bets $15, Gutshot Jack bets $28.55 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.55.

RIVER [board cards 8S,10C,7H,6S,4S ]

Hand #3 - things had settled down a bit for me until this one

Texas Hold'em $0.50-$1 NL (real money),
Table Biel, 31 Mar 2006 10:51 PM ET

Seat 1: oodabooda ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero [ KD,AD ] ($46.25 in chips)
Seat 4: texfish1 ($48.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Ice..Man ($47.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Greeneel ($47.00 in chips)
Seat 7: dentedgh0st ($48.50 in chips)
Seat 8: pokerflop ($67.75 in chips)
Seat 9: sabesin2001 ($47.25 in chips)
Seat 10: RockingOut69 ($50.80 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
Ice..Man posts blind ($0.25), Greeneel posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP
dentedgh0st folds, pokerflop bets $2, sabesin2001 folds, RockingOut69 calls $2, oodabooda folds, Hero calls $2, texfish1 folds, Ice..Man calls $1.75, Greeneel folds.

FLOP [board cards QC,4S,AS ]

** I have seen this movie before ... TPTK **
Ice..Man checks, pokerflop checks, RockingOut69 checks, Hero bets $5, Ice..Man folds, pokerflop bets $10, RockingOut69 folds, Hero calls $5.

TURN [board cards QC,4S,AS,6S ]
pokerflop bets $10, Hero bets $34.25 and is all-in, pokerflop calls $24.25.

RIVER [board cards QC,4S,AS,6S,10D ]

The outcome of these hands was not favorable. So I am looking to learn. Thanks in advance for all replies.
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Old 04-01-2006, 07:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - you reraised and he pushed - that's at least a two-pair hand unless you're at an extremely fishy table.

Hand 2 - the straight hit on the turn if he didn't already have it - unless you have the spade draw to rely on, give it up on the turn.

Hand 3 - check-minraise a set of 4s - or he hit his flush - or nut flush draw for backup I don't think he's going anywhere...it would be odd for him to check-raise the flush draw out of position, but it's not unheard of.

Looks like in general you are putting too much wait on TPTK hands. You want to bet them strongly, but don't overdo it if you meet a lot of resistance against non-donk players.
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Old 04-03-2006, 03:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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#1: pretty obvious you are beat after he pushes on your 3-bet
#2: raise more preflop, 3 limpers before you, i make it at lesat 3.50
#3: you have absolutely no reason to push the turn here, you got raised on the flop on a threatening board, which usually means draw or monster, and the draw completed on the turn. you should learn to control tilt before you move up
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Old 04-03-2006, 04:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Don't stress over 50NL too much, it's not worth it. This isn't to say I'm killing 50NL yet. Rather, I lost 5 buy-ins within my first hour and half when I moved up.

I've found that If you have TPTK like AK, you are not going to get pair off a whole hell of a lot. Hands that you beat are scared of you having TPTK, so they are not going to be raising the hell out of the flop. Which means, you need to be a little bit more passive towards raises when you have one pair, don't commit your whole stack unless you think he's bluffing. With TPTK, bet out the draws, but look for cheap showdowns because there's no need to loose your stack everytime to a set.


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