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BoondockSaint

03-02-2004, 04:25 AM Post subject: Well I think I messed up huge!!!!!!!! Advice appreciated

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This is my first post but have been visiting this site for a couple weeks now. First of all thanks to everyone who posts and runs this site. You guys I believe are a great help. I started playing a couple weeks ago and think I may be a little too tight. Check this out. I think I should of either gone all in or raised big here but I didn't have absolute nuts and have gotten screwed with nuts a few times and I couldn't forget it. I'm not sure if it matters if we post the real names here or not but I didn't want to take time changing all names other than mine so if I'm not supposed to just delete this post and email me please :P !! Thanks

Previous Hand - I'm sure I completely screwed this one too considering I had the nuts and went in probably way too much and folded everyone out. It could of worked good because I was congratulated on a nice bluff and I just said thanks playing on it. The hand under this one is the very next hand and the one I probably could of gotten the most money out of of. Thanks for any input I receive.

Table Card Room Table 2716 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: gbark ( $22.60)
Seat 2: RedDavid31 ( $25)
Seat 3: jcn47 ( $25)
Seat 4: Me ( $25)
Seat 5: WeaselB ( $54.15)
Seat 6: SHARK33 ( $10)
Seat 7: DrDrizzle ( $12.65)
Seat 8: dsoren11 ( $35.90)
Seat 9: yngpoppop ( $23)
Seat 10: natoel ( $54.50)
DrDrizzle posts small blind (0.25)
dsoren11 posts big blind (0.50)
RedDavid31 posts big blind (0.50)
jcn47 posts big blind (0.50)
DrDrizzle: unreal
Me posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Me [ 4s, 5d ]
natoel: wow
yngpoppop folds.
natoel calls (0.50)
gbark calls (0.50)
RedDavid31 checks.
jcn47 checks.
Me checks.
WeaselB folds.
DrDrizzle calls (0.25)
dsoren11 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8h, Ad, 2s ]
DrDrizzle checks.
dsoren11 checks.
natoel checks.
gbark checks.
RedDavid31 folds.
jcn47 checks.
Me checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3s ]
DrDrizzle checks.
dsoren11 bets (1)
natoel calls (1)
gbark folds.
jcn47 calls (1)
DrDrizzle: what r the odds of flopping quads
Me raises (10) to 10
DrDrizzle folds.
dsoren11 folds.
natoel: nice bluff .. baby
natoel folds.
jcn47 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $16.15 | Rake: $0.35
Board: [ 8h Ad 2s 3s ]
gbark balance $22.10, lost $0.50 (folded)
RedDavid31 balance $24.50, lost $0.50 (folded)
jcn47 balance $23.50, lost $1.50 (folded)
Me balance $30.65, bet $10.50, collected $16.15, net +$5.65
WeaselB balance $54.15, didn't bet (folded)
SHARK33 balance $10, sits out
DrDrizzle balance $12.15, lost $0.50 (folded)
dsoren11 balance $34.40, lost $1.50 (folded)
yngpoppop balance $23, didn't bet (folded)
natoel balance $53, lost $1.50 (folded)

Now for what I believe was a huge mistake.

Table Card Room Table 2716 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: gbark ( $22.10)
Seat 2: RedDavid31 ( $24.50)
Seat 3: jcn47 ( $23.50)
Seat 4: Me ( $30.65)
Seat 5: WeaselB ( $54.15)
Seat 6: SHARK33 ( $10)
Seat 7: DrDrizzle ( $12.15)
Seat 8: dsoren11 ( $34.40)
Seat 9: yngpoppop ( $23)
Seat 10: natoel ( $53)
dsoren11 posts small blind (0.25)
yngpoppop posts big blind (0.50)
SHARK33 posts big blind (0.50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Me [ 6h, 8h ]
natoel calls (0.50)
gbark folds.
RedDavid31 calls (0.50)
jcn47 folds.
Me calls (0.50)
WeaselB folds.
SHARK33 checks.
DrDrizzle folds.
dsoren11 calls (0.25)
Me: thanks
natoel: well played
yngpoppop checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9c, 4s, 7h ]
dsoren11 checks.
yngpoppop checks.
natoel checks.
RedDavid31 bets (0.50)
Me calls (0.50)
SHARK33 calls (0.50)
dsoren11 calls (0.50)
yngpoppop calls (0.50)
natoel: pot odds are right
natoel calls (0.50)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7d ]
dsoren11 checks.
yngpoppop checks.
natoel checks.
RedDavid31 checks.
Me checks.
SHARK33 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Tc ]
dsoren11 bets (3)
yngpoppop folds.
natoel: holding the A
natoel raises (6) to 6
RedDavid31 folds.
Me calls (6)
SHARK33 folds.
dsoren11 calls (3)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $22.80 | Rake: $1.20
Board: [ 9c 4s 7h 7d Tc ]
gbark balance $22.10, didn't bet (folded)
RedDavid31 balance $23.50, lost $1 (folded)
jcn47 balance $23.50, didn't bet (folded)
Me balance $46.45, bet $7, collected $22.80, net +$15.80 [ 6h 8h ] [ a straight, six to ten -- Tc,9c,8h,7h,6h ]
WeaselB balance $54.15, didn't bet (folded)
SHARK33 balance $9, lost $1 (folded)
DrDrizzle balance $12.15, didn't bet (folded)
dsoren11 balance $27.40, lost $7 [ 7s Qd ] [ three of a kind, sevens -- Qd,Tc,7s,7h,7d ]
yngpoppop balance $22, lost $1 (folded)
natoel balance $46, lost $7 [ Kd Th ] [ two pairs, tens and sevens -- Kd,Th,Tc,7h,7d ]

I know there could of been full houses out there and 1 higher straight but I should of raised huge or gone all in right?

Thanks

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AceKing

03-02-2004, 06:37 AM

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Welcome to the board.

On the 1st hand, I would have bet like $.50 or $1.00 after the flop just because it seemed like everyone had a weak hand from all of the checking going on. The raise you made was too high, but you did have to worry about a flush draw on spades. I would have raised it a $1 or $2 and as long as a spade doesn't hit, bet like $5 or so on the river.

The second hand you played well in my opinion. No sense in betting like a maniac just in case that full house hit. I've seen plenty of people lose lots of money on a flush or straight to a possible full house showing. You could have tried another $3 raise if you were confident in your hand (like 75% sure you had the best hand).

BoondockSaint

03-02-2004, 07:35 PM

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Yeah I wasn't sure what I should do with the flush draw on that first hand. My brother went all in with at the time nuts just like I had and this dumb ass called like 15 bucks or something and hit his flush on the river. My brother was so pissed off. Thats kind of why I went in 10 because I wanted to bet out flush drawers and if someone called I wanted to make their asses pay if it didn't hit.

So in the future should I play hands like that light with a fairly small <$2 dollar bet and then if a flush card doesnt fall go in higher. If a flush card does hit about how high of a bet should I call? If he checks should I bet or check in fear of a check raise. I know it depends on table conditions but against the average player - if there is such a thing.

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Fnord

03-02-2004, 10:00 PM

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Welcome and nice nuts.

Hand #1. The idea is to make 'em overpay for the draw, not spook them off. Put a price you think is fair enough for you to dump or check/call if the draw hits. I would have raised it to $3-$5. You want callers when you're ahead in the hand. A couple callers for $2 more would have had a big effect on your net return for the hand in exchange for a 1 in 5 shot at the backdoor flush (if anyone even has it!)

Hand #2. Well played. It's tough going all-in against a raiser in front with a full house or better straight (J8) beating you and 6 players having limped in.

Fnord

03-02-2004, 10:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AceKing

Welcome to the board.
I would have raised it a $1 or $2 and as long as a spade doesn't hit, bet like $5 or so on the river.

Ditto that. Missed it on my first read through. No sense in drawing if no one wants to play and/or pay you off if you hit. It also might have given you a free river as everyone might have checked to the agressor on the flop.

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