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Old 02-27-2006, 11:57 PM     Post subject: Well i blew it, show me where i should have gotten off #1 (permalink)  
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Well the guy who called is a maniac, calls every big bet, in just about every hand, even caught him in two bluffs after betting 15 on the river with nothing. I had no read but on the river i knew i was toast despite the Ace.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, MP2 calls $4, 5 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) Q, J, T (2 players)
Hero bets $5.5, MP2 raises to $15, Hero calls $9.50.

Turn: ($39.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $14, MP2 raises to $30, Hero calls $16.

River: ($99.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $9.5, MP2 calls $9.50.

Final Pot: $118.50
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:03 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Against this player I would just 3-bet the flop hard and stick the rest in on the turn. Too many shitty cards can come to jerk around with him on this flop.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:03 AM #3 (permalink)  
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You could think about folding on that flop. Even if he doesnt have a straight or set it is very easy for him to have 2 pair on this board.
When he raises the turn again it is even more likely he has better than AA.

That final A does change it. It cuts out alot of the hands that beat you, but it also means any K has a straight.

With no read it isnt unreasonable to start thinking of a fold on the flop, and folding after the turn raise is fine.

With a maniac read id struggle to fold that flop but id still want a cheap showdown. Its a very nice flop to bluff so if hes a thinking maniac (if such a thing exists) then it might be better to play it harder.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:05 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Well the guy who called is a maniac, calls every big bet, in just about every hand
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You could think about folding on that flop. Even if he doesnt have a straight or set it is very easy for him to have 2 pair on this board.
Against a rational player, yes. Not against this guy. More often it's something like Kx or Q4s. Gamble with him here. His play in prior hands earns him unlimited action for under 90bb here.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:07 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Against this player I would just 3-bet the flop hard and stick the rest in on the turn. Too many shitty cards can come to jerk around with him on this flop.
Im still a learning all the terms, so i shoulda bet $3 and went all in on the flop?
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:11 AM #6 (permalink)  
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You said he calls every big bet, had you seen him raise before? I bet more on the flop, you only increase your pf bet by $1.5 and only bet $5 into a $12 pot thats asking for trouble. If you bet this low you need to raise when he comes back at you. There was little point in holding back your last $9.50 if you had decided to push the river at least on the turn you would have some folding equity if he didnt flop the straight.

So basically I hammer the flop harder and reassess when I see what he does.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:12 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Im still a learning all the terms, so i shoulda bet $3 and went all in on the flop?
3 bet means to bet for the third time that betting round


Player 1 Bets
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:15 AM #8 (permalink)  
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So basically I hammer the flop harder and reassess when I see what he does.
If by "reassess" you mean stick at least half the effective stack in on the flop and shove the rest in on the turn then I agree.

The thing is that without a more detailed read you just don't know where you're at with this guy. You're just reduced to betting the shit out of your medium-strong hands and hope that they hold up.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:20 AM #9 (permalink)  
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*hand 2*

Not to many hands later, i got them again. I wasnt upset from the earlier hand but i did take a big chance. I figured UTG was trying to steal a decent sized pot, he likes to slowplay bigger hands so i had him on A9 maybe. MP1 knew this and probably had large pockets. I was kinda neverous and failed to bet more on the turn and river, as he was the only hand i was worried about.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.5, 3 folds, UTG calls $4.50, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $4.50.

Flop: ($19) 5, 6, 4 (3 players)
UTG bets $6.5, MP1 calls $6.50, Hero raises to $20, UTG raises to $72, MP1 calls $65.50, Hero calls $52.

Turn: ($235) T (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($235) T (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $235
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:23 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Flop: ($19) 5, 6, 4 (3 players)
UTG bets $6.5, MP1 calls $6.50, Hero raises to $20, UTG raises to $72, MP1 calls $65.50, Hero calls $52.
ABORT ABORT ABORT!!!! If you're not already smoked, you will often be by the river. When UTG comes back over the top of you, just calling is pretty bad, if you think you're good then just stick the rest in. You're repping a big pair here (no one ever lays them down, right, lol) and it looks like MP1 is in for the ride to keep him in line. Terrible spot to bluff and if he has a clue he knows it.

Prediction: You're up against a set or flopped straight from one of the 2 all-ins. Maybe both!
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:30 AM #11 (permalink)  
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You said he calls every big bet, had you seen him raise before? I bet more on the flop, you only increase your pf bet by $1.5 and only bet $5 into a $12 pot thats asking for trouble. If you bet this low you need to raise when he comes back at you. There was little point in holding back your last $9.50 if you had decided to push the river at least on the turn you would have some folding equity if he didnt flop the straight.

So basically I hammer the flop harder and reassess when I see what he does.
I bet that much before the flop to get action from the table, i bet $5 two times before with KK and ak and didnt get called.

I dont mean to spoil, but the first hand ended with him have 89o and i lost of course.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:38 AM #12 (permalink)  
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If you said you saw him call a lot of bets, a raise must mean something else. If it is call call call for 20 hands straight then all of a sudden hes raising huge, you know he has a monster.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:39 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Flop: ($19) 5, 6, 4 (3 players)
UTG bets $6.5, MP1 calls $6.50, Hero raises to $20, UTG raises to $72, MP1 calls $65.50, Hero calls $52.
ABORT ABORT ABORT!!!! If you're not already smoked, you will often be by the river. When UTG comes back over the top of you, just calling is pretty bad, if you think you're good then just stick the rest in. You're repping a big pair here (no one ever lays them down, right, lol) and it looks like MP1 is in for the ride to keep him in line. Terrible spot to bluff and if he has a clue he knows it.

Prediction: You're up against a set or flopped straight from one of the 2 all-ins. Maybe both!
It was stupid, i think i did it because of the hand prior. As you can see, i didnt bet on the turn and river thinking it was a mistake.
But go figure, i did win this hand, even though i got lucky with the t's. I ended up with two pair with the tens and the fellow who went all in had one pair, the other two smaller pair.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:40 AM #14 (permalink)  
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If you said you saw him call a lot of bets, a raise must mean something else.
With more information, perhaps we get here. I can't see it being too wrong over-playing your aces here, then say nice hand and reload.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:41 AM #15 (permalink)  
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If you said you saw him call a lot of bets, a raise must mean something else. If it is call call call for 20 hands straight then all of a sudden hes raising huge, you know he has a monster.
Im sorry, i forgot to mention that he would also bet with nothing at all (king high on the river one time), he did this alot. Hard to read.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:44 AM #16 (permalink)  
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If you said you saw him call a lot of bets, a raise must mean something else.
With more information, perhaps we get here. I can't see it being too wrong over-playing your aces here, then say nice hand and reload.
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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, J. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
6 folds, Hero calls $1, Button raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($7.50) J, 6, 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($15.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($15.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $15.50

Thats an example of a small hand hes played, i didnt look to hard though. This type of hand happened atleast 4 times with him winning once on the river, same types of betting.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:27 PM     Post subject: Re: Well i blew it, show me where i should have gotten off #17 (permalink)  
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I agree that this is a scary board for AA, however with the read I don't dump. He might have a hand like KJ or KQ. By the river the pot is too big.

I don't like the Hero's line, though. Bet, call on the flop and bet, call on the turn. I three bet the flop, but if not I check-raise the turn.
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Old 02-28-2006, 04:51 PM #18 (permalink)  
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If by "reassess" you mean stick at least half the effective stack in on the flop and shove the rest in on the turn then I agree.
Probably if the guy is a pure maniac lol; just thought I would leave some room for a read if he had never played back before! Anyway even if you lose this buy in AA will win you plenty back over the long run....

Edit : Just read on down post; bad luck Buck that looked like a realy juicy table with people calling big raises pf with pretty mucky hands shame you didn't get the best of it. I hate it when that happens . Hand two looks very setty with those cards and raises. But you were due some luck for the runner runner win! Also with the additional info you gave on villan in hand 1 i'm punishing him on the flop and turn. If i'm heads up on hand two i'm all in as it was I probably let them fight it out.
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