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kimjongillin
Old 10-20-2005, 09:54 PM     Post subject: Weird River Raise? #1 (permalink)  
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Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 ($40.40)
MP1 ($26.65)
MP2 ($3.65)
MP3 ($6.80)
CO ($0)
Button ($9.54)
SB ($17.38)
Hero ($24.75)
UTG ($13.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, J. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) 4, 3, 8 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.4, MP2 folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $1, UTG calls $0.60.

Turn: ($3) J (3 players)
Hero bets $2, UTG calls $2.

River: ($7) 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $8, Hero: ?

also am I too aggressive?
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:56 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Top pair up is about the weakest hand I would call that raise with (without a read.) I would expect to lose this a lot, but win enough to show a profit.
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:15 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Thanks Fnord. That's what I thought too. When he raised, I looked at the board and thought, with what? Villain turns up 99 for the rivered set (not surprising)


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BB ($29.75)
UTG ($9.10)
UTG+1 ($12.50)
MP1 ($24.75)
MP2 ($60.10)
MP3 ($14.25)
CO ($15.39)
Hero ($22.40)
SB ($14.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, K. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.35) J, A, T (5 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $1.3, CO folds, Hero calls $1.30, BB folds, MP2 calls $1.30.

Turn: ($5.25) T (3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 bets $4, Hero calls $4, MP2 folds.

River: ($13.25) Q (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $13.25

Is check/calling here too weak? My plan was to value call the flop then push the turn, but the turn brought doom. Should I have pushed the flop, or at least raised it? There were probably too many outs against me for a smooth call here
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:16 PM #4 (permalink)  
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instacall, even though he might have a set.

edit: for the first hand
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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raise the flop, raise the turn, check behind the river
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:32 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Second hand: I want to get it in on the flop. That's an action board. On the river I bet another $4 on the river for value and am quite capable of laying down to a check/raise.
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Old 10-21-2005, 03:07 PM #7 (permalink)  
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On the second hand, I probably would have raised that flop, if only to shake out any flush draws. There are 15 cards (3 jacks, 3 aces, 3 tens, 8 spades) on the turn that can make your life miserable. I don't like to slow play with 15 cards that can kill my hand, even if it is only in theory (if a spade dropped on the turn and someone bet hard, what would you have done?). If you stomp the pot with a nice raise, you can be fairly sure anyone left has at least a pair, and therefore no flush draw. At that point, you can just worry about the board pairing, and slow down if it does.
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