Poker Forum

Over 1,247,000 Posts!

REGISTER
Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password

Poker Forum

  > 

Full Ring NL Hold'em

  > 

Weak/passive villain

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
mxiu
Old 04-10-2006, 12:36 AM     Post subject: Weak/passive villain #1 (permalink)  
mxiu's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 982
mxiu
Villain is weak/passive fish... I've called his raise a few times earlier, and he would check it to me, enabling me to bluff him off the pot.

PokerStars Game #4576276151: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/04/09 - 20:25:21 (ET)
Table 'Pandora IV' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: FkYoCouch ($39.75 in chips)
Seat 2: tuarmedman69 ($125.30 in chips)
Seat 3: PoulinTheBum ($83 in chips)
Seat 4: S-E-O-4-hire ($93.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Majin Legacy ($118.50 in chips)
Seat 6: EdwinCA ($38 in chips)
Seat 7: anzxc ($64.35 in chips)
Seat 8: DJ backDoor ($103.30 in chips)
Seat 9: ironspades ($38.50 in chips)
tuarmedman69: posts small blind $0.50
PoulinTheBum: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Majin Legacy [7c 6h]
S-E-O-4-hire: raises $3 to $4
Majin Legacy: calls $4
EdwinCA: folds
anzxc: folds
DJ backDoor: folds
ironspades: folds
FkYoCouch: folds
tuarmedman69: folds
PoulinTheBum: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 8d 8h]
S-E-O-4-hire: checks
Majin Legacy: bets $6
S-E-O-4-hire: calls $6
*** TURN *** [Qc 8d 8h] [2h]
S-E-O-4-hire: checks
Majin Legacy: bets $12
S-E-O-4-hire said, "your hurting me"
S-E-O-4-hire: calls $12
*** RIVER *** [Qc 8d 8h 2h] [Kd]
S-E-O-4-hire: checks
Majin Legacy: bets $20

How far do you guys take this hand? For the sake of this hand, let's say the cards were suited so I don't get a bunch of posts telling me to fold preflop.

I didn't like the K on the river, but I figured it could also be a good scare card. What do you put villain on?
Reply With Quote

Play for FREE and practice your game at...

Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
Greedo017
Old 04-10-2006, 03:58 AM #2 (permalink)  
Greedo017's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: wearing the honors of honor and whatnot
Posts: 1,461
Greedo017 is on a distinguished road
 i think its unnecessary. aside from calling preflop being a big mistake, I think going through this elaborate bluff against someone who seems inclined to call you down is an equally big mistake. make your money through showing down winning hands, not getting in pissing matches with junk and no idea what type of hand he's holding or willing to call you down with.
i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
 
Reply With Quote
mxiu
Old 04-10-2006, 04:02 AM #3 (permalink)  
mxiu's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 982
mxiu
yeah, for some reason i think that i was giving my own read on this guy too much credit.

rest of the hand:

*** RIVER *** [Qc 8d 8h 2h] [Kd]
S-E-O-4-hire: checks
Majin Legacy: bets $20
S-E-O-4-hire: folds
Reply With Quote
Greedo017
Old 04-10-2006, 04:09 AM #4 (permalink)  
Greedo017's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: wearing the honors of honor and whatnot
Posts: 1,461
Greedo017 is on a distinguished road
 fyi, i changed my answer a little bit before you responded, i think my new one is better.

i think its ok to make moves sometimes if there are particularly bad players. here it seems like you knew how inclined to call/call/fold he was, i think that makes it less bad. I still think, generally, stuff like this isn't necessary and is long term -EV. i also think the preflop call is worse than you think. even though you knew you could exploit this one player, other people might've called behind you, making your call bad.
i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
 
Reply With Quote
mxiu
Old 04-10-2006, 05:07 AM #5 (permalink)  
mxiu's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 982
mxiu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedo017
i think that makes it less bad. I still think, generally, stuff like this isn't necessary and is long term -EV. i also think the preflop call is worse than you think. even though you knew you could exploit this one player, other people might've called behind you, making your call bad.
i agree, stuff like this is probably -EV longterm, but i suppose i was pulling a live element into the game, and really valuing my read on him.

i understand the concept. ive tried this over 7-8K hands more as a test to see how it would work out, and it seems to be working okay for me. i made a topic asking about playing these type of hands with a strong read, and i basically got a bunch of answers saying "do what works for you".
Reply With Quote
Fnord
Old 04-10-2006, 09:33 AM #6 (permalink)  
Fnord's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,336
Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Fnord
Yeah, just got out of dodge when this guy raises and show him hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
Reply With Quote
mxiu
Old 04-10-2006, 09:36 AM #7 (permalink)  
mxiu's Avatar
Full House

Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 982
mxiu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Yeah, just got out of dodge when this guy raises and show him hands.
Huh? Word that differently?
Reply With Quote
Fnord
Old 04-10-2006, 09:37 AM #8 (permalink)  
Fnord's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,336
Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Fnord
Quote:
Originally Posted by mxiu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Yeah, just got out of dodge when this guy raises and show him hands.
Huh? Word that differently?
Don't screw with him when he raises pre-flop, make hands cheap and value bet the shit out of him on early streets where he's making loose calls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
KoRnholio Old 05-26-2012, 03:08 PM    Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
According to an email sent out by Mark Bryan, a gaming analyst at Merrill Lynch, the Australian government plans to legalize online poker sometime in the next six to 12 months. This move will coincide ...

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:19 AM.

Contact Us - Archive - Top

FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com 		Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.