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Chopper

01-10-2008, 03:41 AM Post subject: wanna see some weakness?

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sorry no converter. in a hurry.

villain was loose passive (0% pfr), but aggressive post flop. appeared capable of bluffing scary boards, but i never saw a showdown. i assume villain will bet draws, too.

i know i played this incredibly weak. it was a "float" gone bad. i thought he was on a draw, and as his bets got smaller, i got more confident in my read. but, do i shove the river? i only beat a bluff.

what i want to know is...can/do you pull the trigger on this river bluff anyway as short as villain is?

PokerStars Game #14447337891: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/01/09 - 22:49:11 (ET)
Table 'Chort IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jolt-tsp ($9.85 in chips)
Seat 2: djpl1974 ($16.20 in chips)
Seat 3: BoilerD331 ($8.25 in chips)
Seat 4: DNA2008 ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: docgrok ($25.65 in chips)
Seat 7: skeeter1963 ($4.55 in chips)
Seat 8: pfsbulldawg ($9.75 in chips)
Seat 9: minkopinko ($10 in chips)
BoilerD331: posts small blind $0.05
DNA2008: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pfsbulldawg [Kh Qd]
docgrok: folds
skeeter1963: calls $0.10
pfsbulldawg: raises $0.40 to $0.50
minkopinko: folds
jolt-tsp: folds
djpl1974: calls $0.50
BoilerD331: folds
DNA2008: calls $0.40
skeeter1963: calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [9c 5d 7d]
DNA2008: folds
skeeter1963: bets $0.50
pfsbulldawg: calls $0.50
djpl1974: folds
*** TURN *** [9c 5d 7d] [Jd]
skeeter1963: bets $0.60
pfsbulldawg: calls $0.60
*** RIVER *** [9c 5d 7d Jd] [4h]
skeeter1963: bets $0.40
pfsbulldawg: ??

i certainly dont think this is a flush. but, can bluffers fold the 9 here?

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biondino

01-10-2008, 11:58 AM

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His tiny bet certainly looks as if he's testing to see whether you have the flush (or a hand that beats him), but your lack of raise on the turn worries me slightly - the Jd hits square on whatever draws you're repping, so bet it!

jimmy44

01-10-2008, 12:37 PM

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This seems to me either 9x, 88 or TT

Pelion

01-10-2008, 12:40 PM

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if you think he has a fold button shove the turn.

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Chopper

01-10-2008, 01:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

if you think he has a fold button shove the turn.

you and biondino hit is square, i think. its the TURN that makes this hands so pussy weak.

i think his lead threw me off. i was maybe expecting a check. of course, then, i would have fired on reflex. but, that bet made me pause...and the fact that it was an even smaller percentage than the flop made me pause again. by then, i had lost the "i have the flush i instabet" reflex that sells this bluff.

i just checked, and thought, "you pussy. why did you just call that? now you need to see if he is still scared on the river."

of course, river bet came even smaller, and i thought, "you dumbass, you have the friggin 9 or something you are very scared of, dont you? i should shove this right now." i then, looked down and saw his stack size (BIG mistake #2) and thought, "ive seen this before. you are so afraid to bet like a man, but since you bet a little, there's NO WAY you are folding. crap. i have ZERO showdown value. i have to fold to this?"

mistake #2 being...not noticing villains stack size until its too late.

sorry, but this hand REALLY pissed me off at myself.

thanks for the commentsconfirmation. i thought i should have fired the turn for sure, and probably should have fired the river as well.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

pgil

01-10-2008, 02:44 PM

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if you are going to try to push villain off his hand, then the flop or the turn is the place to do it, not the river. I don't know that I want to try that in this spot though. 4 way flops with just overcards and 2 people to act after me make me want to fold the flop. you raised to isolate and that didn't happen. I would say cut your losses on the flop.

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