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Old 01-11-2008, 04:20 PM     Post subject: wa/wb situation really? #1 (permalink)  
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villain is 11.2/7.2/1.9 with showdown%won 85.7% over 420 hands. Attention to steal% is only 8%.
How often do you 3 bet this guy with AQ in position? Do you guys really raise his flop small bet?

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UTG+1 ($330.15)
MP1 ($200.00)
MP2 ($308.75)
MP3 ($204.00)
Hero ($194.00)
BTN ($249.75)
SB ($203.00)
BB ($125.75)

Pre-flop: ($3, 9 players) Hero is CO
3 folds, MP2 raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 3 folds

Flop: ($15, 2 players)
MP2 bets $6

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Old 01-11-2008, 05:26 PM #2 (permalink)  

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420 hands isn't a good indicator that he is a nit at showdown, and 8% ATS makes it seem as though he is not positionally aware, since he is still raising 7 percent of his hands.

I would raise here to about 22-24 and play the hand out from there. If he has 77-99 or jj-kk he might fold and if he has AK or 10 10 I'm sure he'll let you know on the flop or turn.
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Old 01-11-2008, 06:35 PM #3 (permalink)  
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club draw.

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Old 01-13-2008, 02:15 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Like Jellodays said, I'm seeing a lot of the sort of thing where a guy might be 12/9 or so but has a 9 or 10% attempt to steal. That's a big giveaway that they're not positionally aware, imo.

Because of that particular thing in villain's stats I'd probably 3-bet preflop here everytime. If villain had something like a 30% attempt to steal, then I'd be more inclined to flat call, although I'd 3-bet some then too.

On the flop it's one of those omfg blah situations to me where it sort of feels like calling and raising both leave a bad taste in your mouth. Raising is definitely best though.
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Because of that particular thing in villain's stats I'd probably 3-bet preflop here everytime. If villain had something like a 30% attempt to steal, then I'd be more inclined to flat call, although I'd 3-bet some then too.
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Old 01-13-2008, 08:18 PM #6 (permalink)  
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my thought process was that his weak bet on flop sounds like either strong or pretty weak, probably not flush draw. so i decided to call and see what he's gonna do on the turn.Basically, i raise here against some loose guys.

Turn: ($27, 2 players)
MP2 bets $20, Hero ?

Do you still raise him here or just call? ready to go all-in?
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Old 01-14-2008, 01:21 AM #7 (permalink)  
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still a flush draw, but now you have to raise...or gambool again. if the flush draw hits, whats your plan? b/f or c/f?

my reasoning is that i see so many of these guys, it makes me sick. i note them as "stepper-uppers." they minbet or lead weak, and when they dont get folds or raises, they "step it up" on the next street.

yes, sometimes they are monsters, but really it was a blocking bet on the flop that is now trying to steal the pot. problem is, you just improved and can confidently SLAM him with a raise. you want to really mess with him...minraise him, but realize you are laying sick odds to hit his flush.

i see this as draws...or vulnerable non-A hands like JJ-QQ...but i raise his flop and now raise his turn lead. this is a collossal idiot that gets kept in the poker world because people will fold marginal stuff to his weak bets, or call, allowing him to hit a real hand. dont be the guy that allows him to build a roll. when he leads weakly, fold or raise. only call with the most marginal of draws that will likely stack his ass.
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:55 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Almost never flat-call this guy pre-flop. Even floating these guys was an utter disaster without better information.
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:13 PM #9 (permalink)  
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yeah, i messed up the whole thing at the beginning and got punished for sure After taking passive line in early two streets, i still continued this kind of play .. how do you folks feel NOW? my read was correct but raising flop is probably the better option than extracting more money from a tightish guy after.

River: ($67, 2 players)
MP2 bets $55, Hero calls $55

Final Pot: $177
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MP2 wins $174 ( won +$87 )
Hero lost -$87.00
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