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Knytestorme
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03-25-2007, 01:54 AM
Post subject: WA/WB, how's my play?
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No real reads on villans, only few hands with them since I sat down.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
CO ($10.70)
Button ($23.95)
SB ($27.50)
BB ($19.40)
UTG ($24.90)
Hero ($25)
MP1 ($25.10)
MP2 ($16.65)
MP3 ($23.05)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8 , 8 .
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 4 folds, Button calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50.
Flop: ($2.35) 8 , J, T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, Button raises to $4, BB calls $4, Hero calls $2.
Turn: ($14.35) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.5, Button raises to $19.2, BB calls $14.65 (All-In), Hero calls $11.70.
River: ($67.40) 7 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: $67.40
Main Pot: $58.30, between Button, BB and Hero.
Pot 2: $9.09, between Button and Hero.
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zenbitz
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Don't you mean WA/WA? Only question here is that flop flat call is a little dangerous with all the straight draws. And actually you aren't even WA vs 99.
That being said, with both guys a/i on the turn, it's not impossible one has you set over set or even flopped a straight. Pot's too big to fold bottom set though.
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KoRnholio
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03-25-2007, 07:19 AM
Post subject: Re: WA/WB, how's my play?
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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
Flop: ($2.35) 8 , J , T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, Button raises to $4, BB calls $4, Hero calls $2.
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I'd pop it up to $13-14 since it looks like at least one is on a draw. Button could have something like Q9/TT, but could just as easily have JT/99/QQ.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Miffed22001
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pushing 4 betting flop is ok. But i like how you played it. I think JT/AJ is just as much a pecentage of his range as is a straight or bigger set, and a bigger set shouldnt be an issue but im guessing it is at these stakes with so many nits/passies not reraising TT/JJ.
KQ is also in ranges.
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Maybe silly, but what does WA/WB stand for?
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Knytestorme
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Nice call Miffed.
AJ and Q9 up against me. With the AI by the button I figured he had the Q9 but could have been making a move but figured the BB was overplaying something like TPTK so called to get the sidepot and hoping button was on a draw/making a play.
WA/WB = Way ahead/Way behind where the play is such that you are one of the other such as in this case with the set I was WB the button and needed to hit my full house to win, while I was way ahead of the BB with a set to TPTK such that even if he hit trip J's I'd still be ahead with a full house to him.
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Renton
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wawb doesn't exist when you have a set on this board. 3bet the flop
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Renton
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also make this 1 to go preflop, its only 25 more cents, but it definitely matters.
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Knytestorme
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So the 3-bet on the flop would be the push?
The more I think about this I think I should have not led the turn and gone from there but I don't see any way I wouldn't be going broke anyway. Hit the flop I wanted pretty much and if someone else posted this hand history I couldn't see a point to tell them they should have gotten off it with 10 outs to the fh/quads on the river.
In regards to making it $1 to go, I try to vary between $0.75 to $.125 prf atm to add some randomness and try and avoid getting my range defined by the raise, would you recommend just always making it $1 to go (depending on limpers beforehand of course)?
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bode
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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
In regards to making it $1 to go, I try to vary between $0.75 to $.125 prf atm to add some randomness and try and avoid getting my range defined by the raise, would you recommend just always making it $1 to go (depending on limpers beforehand of course)?
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IMO, its better (easier?) to just make a constant pfr. you dont have to consciously vary you bet size and its just as decieving if you have a decent enough pfr range.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Renton
also make this 1 to go preflop, its only 25 more cents, but it definitely matters.
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totally disagree
Lets think about our pfr size this way:
what pfr hands are we calling a 3bet with?
Which ones are we not?
What is our opponents reraise range and how does that affect the hands that we raise to start with?
Thus:
which hands do we open for 3bbs OR 5bbs always and which do we open with 4bbs always...
I open with AJs UTG for 4bbs always. I open with AA UTG for 3bbs or 5bbs.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Knytestorme
would you recommend just always making it $1 to go (depending on limpers beforehand of course)?
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in early position, yes.
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Renton
also make this 1 to go preflop, its only 25 more cents, but it definitely matters.
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totally disagree
Lets think about our pfr size this way:
what pfr hands are we calling a 3bet with?
Which ones are we not?
What is our opponents reraise range and how does that affect the hands that we raise to start with?
Thus:
which hands do we open for 3bbs OR 5bbs always and which do we open with 4bbs always...
I open with AJs UTG for 4bbs always. I open with AA UTG for 3bbs or 5bbs. |
in my opinion you are delving a little too deeply with this. In early position, with almost any hand I intend to open, the main objective of my raise is to isolate 1 to 2 players. $1 is the smallest bet that has a good chance of doing this.
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Knytestorme
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I see the point there Renton, and yes situationally the 4x bet in EP is probably the best option.
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dsaxton
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Pump the flop.
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