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Old 06-25-2006, 06:19 AM     Post subject: W/out read, how do u play KK #1 (permalink)  
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$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, June 25, 02:07:41 ET 2006
Table Motivating (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: FidLcashflo ( $135.55 )
Seat 2: RaspyMiles ( $198.92 )
Seat 8: KMontresor ( $98.50 )
Seat 7: AATrain01 ( $174.05 )
Seat 5: jordan808 ( $58.05 )
Seat 4: ExtraCheese ( $96.55 )
Seat 9: raizinpots ( $71.75 )
Seat 3: MoMoney1322 ( $92.90 )
Seat 10: boozeandlose ( $58.53 )
Seat 6: bri2t ( $99 )
FidLcashflo posts small blind [$0.50].
RaspyMiles posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AATrain01 [ Kc Ks ]
MoMoney1322 folds.
ExtraCheese folds.
jordan808 folds.
bri2t folds.
AATrain01 raises [$4].
KMontresor folds.
raizinpots calls [$4].
boozeandlose folds.
FidLcashflo raises [$39.75].

wtf does this mean??

RaspyMiles folds.
>You have options at Table 95799 Table!.
AATrain01 is all-In [$170.05]
raizinpots folds.
FidLcashflo is all-In [$95.30]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 4s, 8d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
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Old 06-25-2006, 06:32 AM #2 (permalink)  

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He had AA I'm guessing? So did you win or lose?
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Old 06-25-2006, 06:37 AM #3 (permalink)  
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He had AA I'm guessing? So did you win or lose?
irrelevant whether i won or lost
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Old 06-25-2006, 09:04 AM     Post subject: Re: W/out read, how do u play KK #4 (permalink)  
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wtf does this mean??
Usually.. AA. If you're lucky, AK/QQ.
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Old 06-25-2006, 12:32 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Very tough spot... I prolly push 70% and fold 30% here. I only have ~3k hands at 100nl so far, but it seems like 50nl, just tighter.

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Old 06-25-2006, 12:48 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 a.) he's an idiot
b.) he's an idiot with AA



 
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Old 06-25-2006, 01:13 PM #7 (permalink)  
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What were your reads on him before he did this? It can mean a lot of different things. Im not folding here, but I wouldnt mind getting it all in on a non-ace flop, maybe be careful of a queen as well.
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Old 06-25-2006, 01:28 PM     Post subject: Re: W/out read, how do u play KK #8 (permalink)  
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AATrain01 is all-In [$170.05]
Please tell me you a read. This is almost always AA from a full buy.



 
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Old 06-25-2006, 02:02 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Old 06-25-2006, 02:17 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I would let it go... if he's making this move with less than AA, i'd be very surprised. this guys a rock I have him @ 10.62/2.21 over 678 hands, even without this i let it go.
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Old 06-26-2006, 12:54 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I would let it go... if he's making this move with less than AA, i'd be very surprised. this guys a rock I have him @ 10.62/2.21 over 678 hands, even without this i let it go.
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AA vs KK just sucks so get it all in.
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Old 06-26-2006, 09:42 AM #12 (permalink)  
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No matter WHAT he has, he played this poorly.

He'll have something that ISN'T AA more often than he'll have something that IS AA. I raise to $80...or go all in.

So in the end, here are the probabilities of what I would do:
50% raise to $80
40% go all in
8% call
2% fold

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Old 06-26-2006, 02:30 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I would let it go... if he's making this move with less than AA, i'd be very surprised. this guys a rock I have him @ 10.62/2.21 over 678 hands, even without this i let it go.
weak

push

AA vs KK just sucks so get it all in.
I guess it may be weak... but right now i've got 4.00 invested, I'm not gonna stack off when villian spoke so loudly, then chalk it up to variance when he shows me AA.

Admittedly playing AA like that doesn't make sense but who knows maybe he's had it cracked a few times and is now pricing out sets.

w/ out read on villian, i consider my image and that of LP caller, then make a play based on how i think villian see us. But pushing here without a read is bad imo.
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Old 06-26-2006, 02:37 PM #14 (permalink)  
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I would let it go... if he's making this move with less than AA, i'd be very surprised. this guys a rock I have him @ 10.62/2.21 over 678 hands, even without this i let it go.
weak

push

AA vs KK just sucks so get it all in.
I guess it may be weak... but right now i've got 4.00 invested, I'm not gonna stack off when villian spoke so loudly, then chalk it up to variance when he shows me AA.

Admittedly playing AA like that doesn't make sense but who knows maybe he's had it cracked a few times and is now pricing out sets.

w/ out read on villian, i consider my image and that of LP caller, then make a play based on how i think villian see us. But pushing here without a read is bad imo.
FidLcashflo raises [$39.75].


Theres my read.
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Old 06-26-2006, 08:09 PM #15 (permalink)  
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No matter WHAT he has, he played this poorly.

He'll have something that ISN'T AA more often than he'll have something that IS AA. I raise to $80...or go all in.
I love these reads. I do this at $100 NL (excluding the weird bet size). It’s reads like this that get me paid. I won’t do it with anything other than AA. I push the flop if I get a call. Sets are priced out but that doesn’t mean that occasionally you won’t get called by any other PP hoping for a set. They will fold to the flop bet. Why would I push and fold out a KK that might be willing to see a flop for that price but not for a push?

I am willing to consider that this is a poor move but if it wins $ then I can’t see how it is. Convince me.
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