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Old 03-09-2009, 04:20 AM     Post subject: villain donks turn #1 (permalink)  
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 I don't get it. I kind of want to raise this thinking he's either floating or trying to get a cheap draw. It doesn't really make sense to me that he would be doing this with weaker pairs or sets.
Villain is pretty much unkown 21/4 over 40 hands. No noteworthy hands so far.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($43.50)
UTG 1 ($39.74)
Hero (MP1) ($50.21)
MP2 ($121.82)
CO ($109.55)
BTN ($5.00)
SB ($7.00)
BB ($42.45)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 8 players) Hero is MP1
UTG calls $0.50, UTG 1 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3, 5 folds, UTG calls $2.50, UTG 1 folds

Flop: ($7.25, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5, UTG calls $5

Turn: ($17.25, 2 players)
[color=#cc0000]UTG bets $10



The question is just what kind of range would you give an unkown there?
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Old 03-09-2009, 05:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 i don't think anything but calling is good
 
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Old 03-09-2009, 05:27 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Guys, I appreciate your thoughts, but seriously. I'm guessing Fnord is saying this is way more likely to be JT, Ax , Kx than a solid hand, and Deanglow you're saying it could be all kinds of trash going for thin value, and I could get more value by betting the river instead?

But all I really wanted was a little help in giving him a range... or generally unkowns who c/c the c-bet and then donk the turn, because I don't understand the thought process there if any.
The only options are obviously call, all-in or basically all-in.

I called in that hand, but I still think I should have raised because I don't see a lot besides a drawing hand or air play that way.

I searched my HEM db and that of a few regulars I have a couple of k hands with, and I did not find a single hand where someone called the flop and then bet the turn oop... not one.
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im with fnord here id go all in
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what are you beating that calls?

Or is this shove purely hand protection?
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:26 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 i actually think there are a good bit of hands that beat you here. At 50NL there are still enough slow-playing donks to be scared of hands like AA, KK, QQ and MOST ESPECIALLY 22. A lot of times they under represent these hands for a street and then make baffling bets. sure it's an unorthodox way to play AA but is there an orthodox play you could put him on?
besides betting 60% of the pot is a strange bet with a draw regardless of whether they're a strong player or not. It's way too big to be a stop bet and too small to be a semi-bluff
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 besides, even if you have a better hand and you call, what are you gonna do on the river? your scare cards are huge: any diamond, straight card or even really any spade (who's to say he's any less likely to have AsQs or As10s etc. then any other hand). not too mention you're completely in the dark about his hand so even if these cards don't hit you're scared that he already has your TPTK beat.
kick it in or go all in (i'm kicking it in and paying close attention to that player in future hands)
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