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Old 05-25-2007, 10:00 PM     Post subject: Various questions on betting ($10NL) #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is new to the table, no stats or reads yet. The flop raise often means trouble, but I'm not prepared to let my aces go yet. He could well have a set but might just have a queen. Do you re-raise his flop bet or just call? On the turn do you try to check raise, bet the pot or bet like I did? On the river I want to push I'm just a little wary of the backdoor flush having been burnt in the past, how do you bet it? Thanks all

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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $0.3, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 3 Q 2 ($1.05, 3 players)
Hero bets $0.5, MP2 folds, Button raises to $1, Hero calls.

Turn: A ($3.05, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.5, Button calls.

River: J ($6.05, 2 players)
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Old 05-25-2007, 10:37 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Pf, i pot it, which is 3.5x bb, since i play FT its a button other wise im making it 4x +1bb for every limper. On the flop im betting 3/4 pot since thats my standard cbet, sometimes up to pot with 2 opponents but this flop is dry enough 3/4 is fine. His minraise is interesting, but im not thinking i beat here. You can either play turn by smooth calling and check raising any turn card, or reraising here. With how dry this flop is hes caught a piece of it so im probly repopping to about $2.50-$3.

As played i check the turn to him since he showed aggression and you leading out makes it look like that ace helped you, which means he cant use it as a scare card a bluff you. River just value bet, i bet around $4, call if he shoves. You cant give him credit for a backdoor flush here.
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Old 05-25-2007, 11:25 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1. Raise to .40, or .5 if it's a call-happy group PF. People pay less attention to PF hand values and calling with trash in 10NL than higher limits, it takes more to get rid of trash and really not be afraid of hands like Q7.

This re-raise is not scary considering villain's re-raising range could be Q10-AQ, and would be normal but undersized raise for TPGK-TPTK. It probably just looked like a cbet to him.

2. Re-raise flop to $2.50. Always OK taking this down with AA here, IMO, your hand has less likelyhood of improving than villain's does.

3. As played, bet $2.50 on turn, we definitely want to pot build, either he has a good hand or he doesn't, maximize. If you showed more strength on the flop, the A falling may not scare him if he doesn't have one.

If you had re-raised, you might be able to commit him here on turn.

4. River could have helped villain if it's QJ, and KT is not a possibility. As played, I bet $4.0o on river in hopes of a re-raise if he hits 2p, and one pair may still call this bet.

If you had raised more earlier, you might be able to stack 'em or get close. People will overplay 2p and TPGK on 10NL and a bit higher limits.
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Old 05-26-2007, 12:50 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Raise mor pre flop, I used to go between .80-1.20 sometimes even 2.00.
Flop bet = 3/4 pot to pot size
Turn, this is an awesome card for you, I highly doubt villain would have min raised with a 3 card flush, so I would bet between 2-3.
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Old 05-26-2007, 12:57 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Old 05-26-2007, 01:07 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Dam Spenda!! Why are you Yelling!!!!


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Old 05-26-2007, 12:06 PM #7 (permalink)  
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YOU NEVER BET ENOUGH IN ANY OF YOUR DAMN HANDS
haha I think you might be on to something here. When I'm getting a big hand I'm slowing down trying not to scare people off which is the wrong way to do it. All that's happening is I'm winning smaller pots or people are drawing out on me like this villain with his QT clubs. Props to Mix for putting this hand in his range, and his advice generally.
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Old 05-29-2007, 09:10 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Is this better? I see a drawy board so I potted the flop. The turn is a blank so I bet about 2/3, that ok? I couldn't see a fold to his re-raise so I stuck it all in. Villain is 11/6/1.3

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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with J J
2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: J T K ($1.25, 3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.2, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: 3 ($3.65, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.5, BB raises to $5, [color=#cc0000]Hero raises all-in $12.45
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:23 AM #9 (permalink)  
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This is fine. If villain has AQ, don't worry about it.
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:02 AM #11 (permalink)  
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OMG you bet enough
Isn't he still a little light PF? Raising 3xBB is pretty low. I could be reading it wrong but sitting in his spot I'm going .5 or .6 and not upset if I get folds. I don't vary my PFR very much. Why is that PFR ok here spenda?
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:09 AM #12 (permalink)  
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he raised 4xbb not 3xbb as gop2004 sed
you should raise 4xbb +1 for every limper so in this case you should have went to .50. But its not a big deal lol
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:11 AM #13 (permalink)  
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OMG you bet enough
Isn't he still a little light PF? Raising 3xBB is pretty low. I could be reading it wrong but sitting in his spot I'm going .5 or .6 and not upset if I get folds. I don't vary my PFR very much. Why is that PFR ok here spenda?
PF is standard as would .50 be standard as well.

General rule is 3BB+1bbx x=number of limpers
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:34 AM #14 (permalink)  
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he raised 4xbb not 3xbb as gop2004 sed
you should raise 4xbb +1 for every limper so in this case you should have went to .50. But its not a big deal lol
As I read that hand, it was .1 to call. Hero raised TO .4. I look at that as a raise of .30 or 3xBB since thats what MP1 has to pay to see the flop. I'm aware of the 3-5xBB +1 for limpers guideline. By that logic he should be putting out .50 at least.

I agree that a dime is just a dime but in this case its a significant percentage of the pot at that point. I play $10NL too and sometimes the edge is picking up a dime here and there over 100 hands.

If he goes .5 or .6 then maybe he's up HU on the flop. I'd rather play JJ against 1 villian than 2, even with position.
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Old 05-31-2007, 09:24 AM #15 (permalink)  
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The table was tight pf, most raises got folds, sometimes one caller, to get 2 was unusual. Still I'm not afraid of action with my hand, it should be pretty easy to play post flop even with 2 opps. I don't think I need to blow everyone away pf
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