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Old 06-11-2007, 11:53 AM     Post subject: Underfulls #1 (permalink)  
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The convertor is screwing this one up and showing I won the pot so going to just post the history. Also showing results since it's obvious what it was and not worried bout it being a bad beat.

Is there anyway to tell when you are dead as the underfull in a situation like this where I was putting them on the draw or should it be another one of those situations where you dont go broke in an unraised pot?

FullTiltPoker Game #2637023188: Table Franklin - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:50:10 ET - 2007/06/11
Seat 1: blablonae ($52.75)
Seat 2: lono13 ($96.65)
Seat 3: 808CSNJ ($50.75)
Seat 4: slaseros ($48.50)
Seat 5: oldcatcher ($15.55)
Seat 6: westy666 ($56.10)
Seat 7: Knytestorme ($43.80)
Seat 8: Bling1528 ($58.50)
Seat 9: seeep ($31.95)
blablonae has 5 seconds left to act
blablonae posts the small blind of $0.25
lono13 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Knytestorme [5d 5h]
808CSNJ has 15 seconds left to act
808CSNJ folds
slaseros folds
oldcatcher calls $0.50
westy666 folds
Knytestorme calls $0.50
Bling1528 folds
seeep folds
blablonae calls $0.25
lono13 checks
*** FLOP *** [Td 5s Ts]
blablonae checks
lono13 bets $2
oldcatcher has 15 seconds left to act
oldcatcher folds
Knytestorme raises to $7
blablonae calls $7
lono13 has 15 seconds left to act
lono13 calls $5
*** TURN *** [Td 5s Ts] [8s]
blablonae checks
lono13 bets $23
Knytestorme raises to $36.30, and is all in
blablonae calls $36.30
seeep stands up
lono13 has 15 seconds left to act
lono13 calls $13.30
*** RIVER *** [Td 5s Ts 8s] [3s]
blablonae bets $8.95, and is all in
lono13 calls $8.95
*** SHOW DOWN ***
blablonae shows [Tc 5c] a full house, Tens full of Fives
lono13 mucks
blablonae wins the side pot ($17.90) with a full house, Tens full of Fives
Knytestorme mucks
blablonae wins the main pot ($128.90) with a full house, Tens full of Fives
Knytestorme is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $149.80 Main pot $131.90. Side pot $17.90. | Rake $3
Board: [Td 5s Ts 8s 3s]
Seat 1: blablonae (small blind) showed [Tc 5c] and won ($146.80) with a full house, Tens full of Fives
Seat 2: lono13 (big blind) mucked [2s As] - a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: 808CSNJ didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: slaseros didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: oldcatcher folded on the Flop
Seat 6: westy666 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Knytestorme mucked [5d 5h] - a full house, Fives full of Tens
Seat 8: Bling1528 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: seeep (button) didn't bet (folded)
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Old 06-11-2007, 12:34 PM #2 (permalink)  
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You don't go broke in an unraised pot when you have hands like top pair or two pair. When YOU have the boat, it's fine to get it all in, especially with that lovely 4-flush board out there.

If you have A2 on a 22KKx board and someone's raising you, sure, fold that boat. But here? Not a chance. Wp.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:41 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I LOVE that the SB (blablonae) limped PF with T5s. and then played it super passive! What a lucky passive fish! There is no place for a fold here, you will loose your stack to the fish every time here...However, lono13 could've folded at quite a few points with the nut flush draw, and nut flush...
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Old 06-12-2007, 02:20 AM #4 (permalink)  
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when do you ever plan on folding here? 88 doesnt call on the flop, TT usually raises pf. the bb can have any 2 obv, but these guys are likely going broke with any T, and there is also a flush out there. the way this hand played out, there was never a chance to fold.
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Old 06-12-2007, 03:35 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Old 06-12-2007, 07:36 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Yeah, on the flop I was thinking the only things in range would be the spade draw and things like AT/KT/QT/JT and figured I was ahead...on the turn I resigned myself to the fact if anyone had played T5 or T8 like that that I was getting stacked so I don't mind it.

Guess the main question is if there is a way here to know when you are beat as an underfull (eg if there was a re-raise on the flop, can I find a fold there when there are basically two hands that I am worried about?)
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Played fine IMO. I think you could beat 50nl without ever folding a flopped boat
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:31 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Old 06-12-2007, 12:45 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Yeah, on the flop I was thinking the only things in range would be the spade draw and things like AT/KT/QT/JT and figured I was ahead...on the turn I resigned myself to the fact if anyone had played T5 or T8 like that that I was getting stacked so I don't mind it.

Guess the main question is if there is a way here to know when you are beat as an underfull (eg if there was a re-raise on the flop, can I find a fold there when there are basically two hands that I am worried about?)
there will be a few rare times that you can get away from a flopped set, but you shouldnt be folding boats without good reads, especially once the flush gets there. the reason is many players will go broke with JT-AT here.
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 Very well played. His range has to include Tx but you smoke that where x is not 5. You made a ton of sklanksy dollars here.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:34 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Very well played. His range has to include Tx but you smoke that where x is not 5. You made a ton of sklanksy dollars here.
Yah I agree with this, there's no way you're getting away from this hand on this board.

Maybe if the board was T5T9J or something, you'd expect that anyone with trip T's could very likely have filled up on the turn or river.

But on that board, there's no way. And even still, you're not folding either board I don't think, unless the case I just mentioned was VERYYY deep.
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