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isuck

06-11-2005, 03:46 AM Post subject: Unbelievable

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Throughout my poker career of about 2 years ive encountered the worst type of crap anyone has ever seen. Ill talk about my hands recently at my weekly poker game.

Basically we play 25 1$ chips, 15 5$ chips and 5 10$ chips, its a tourney, no real value to the chips.

Anyway, because of this structure it seems retards are more leniant with their calls and call a lot more.

I was chip leader by about 20 chips over this kid and i pickup 9-9 in the small blind. Dealer calls, i raise it kinda big to show strength cuz i hate this hand, BB folds, Dealer calls it was like 45 chips.

I flopped trips and to make a long story short, he kept calling me and ended up rivering a straight flush.

Just yesterday in poker stars, i played heads up and picked up A-A first hand. I raised, he went all in, i called. He had A-2 and flop was 2-2-J and so on and i lost.

A tourney, 10 person SNG before that, i had KK, two others called me all in with QQ and JJ and they both flopped trips.

Yet another hand, it was heads up in an SNG and i raise with a-10 suited, he calls with K-J suited, I flop trips and he gets runner runner for the flush.

Well basically, I have conluded no one has gotten fucked like me in quite some time. Luckily, i am very determined to keep playing poker and I will do so.

Summary of My Life:
I fold, i hit a big hand with any hole cards.
I raise with something good, some tard calls with shit and hits and raises me and I cant call cuz when i do they have something crazy.
I am known as the black sheep with my friends simply because of this.

I love poker, but seriously, i dont play to lose my manhood you know? I play for fun and for some dough but it aint lookin good.

Sympathize with me and I can assure u this isnt a lie. I wouldnt write a post this big if i was lying.

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Sykedupp

06-11-2005, 05:35 AM

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STBY, post em in the bad beats thread from now on plz.

-Chris

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Originally Posted by soupie

That is the beauty of poker, it doesnt matter how they play, you can always devise the perfect defense and counterpunch hard.

dalecooper

06-13-2005, 01:55 PM

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Your first sentence should read: "Throughout my poker career of about 2 years ive encountered the SAME type of crap anyone has ever seen."

This kind of thing happens to every single poker player that plays a lot. If your home game is loose and passive as many of them are, you're just going to suffer some bad beats. That's how it goes when you get your money in with the edge on a regular basis.

a500lbgorilla

06-13-2005, 02:09 PM

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Get used to it. And until you can come back with an honest assessment of whats going wrong, we can't help you.

-'rilla

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

bair

06-13-2005, 02:21 PM

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if you think you are the only one this happens to, you are in need of a reality check

Rondavu

06-13-2005, 03:37 PM

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Most of the time when someone is getting porked as hard as you, it's because they are still a bit on the tight passive side without a good ability to read opposing hand strength.

What that means is you flop a good hand, but feel apprehensive about whether you're ahead. Instead of betting 3/4 pot or more, you bet 1/2 pot or sometimes even less. Then you get porked when someone draws out on you. After getting porked you become more cautious and play even more apprehensive the next time.

Most of the time passive defeats itself. You play passive and get drawn out on, and then play passive because you got drawn out on.

If this is you, you have to break the cycle. Your reads will come. In the mean time get a little more aggressive when you flop a good vulnerable hand.

You can't play with scared money.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

EricE

06-13-2005, 05:26 PM

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Wow, this is sweet. Errr. I mean, I am sorry to hear that ISuck but it is heartening to read. I mean, I have this happen all the time and I had been wondering if it is because I am trying to gain experience at the play money tables before I move up. At the play money tables people don’t know when to fold and they hit on the turn and river all the time. A big bet doesn’t mean anything to these people and they all stay in like they had the nuts. It is heartening to read that this will still happen at the real money tables and that means that my experience at the play money table is not for naught. The solution is to be sure of what hands can and can’t beat you and bet aggressively when the odds are in your favor. Sometimes you will still lose but that’s the game.

a500lbgorilla

06-13-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EricE

It is heartening to read that this will still happen at the real money tables and that means that my experience at the play money table is not for naught.

Your experiences at play money tables are all for naught. Try .01/.02

-'rilla

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

Element187

06-13-2005, 09:14 PM

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i play very aggressive loose, push all in with any pair when i play for "play money"

just doesnt mean anything to me .. unless im playing live with family.. i want bragging rights so i will play g00t poker...

deposit some money into a poker site and learn how to play.

"Imagine how it would be to be at the top Making cash money, Go and tour all around the world, Tell stories about all the young girls." - The Prodigy - Girls

bair

06-13-2005, 09:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EricE

in all honesty the only thing play money teaches you is how to click buttons on ur screen and move the raise bar, i really dont think there is 1 thing to be learned except if you dont know how to play the game period

Rondavu

06-14-2005, 01:11 PM

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Put your clicky finger in the air, and step away from the play money.

Poker = Risk
No Risk = No Poker

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

isuck

06-15-2005, 05:54 AM

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thats what ive been playing. Its not all home game, pokerstars too.

A few stories for today.
10-2 BB position.

Flop was x-x-2

I raised, he called
next was a 10
I go all in and he shows his ace and says "I think i have it"
I show my two pair and he shows ace 8. Basically he had 3 outs because there was a possible inside straight draw he had which he didnt even realize and he hit.

Another game began, and i had AA in BB.
He raised a very large amount so i went all in and he called with K-7 suited and flopped trips. Sorry i cant do anything about that.

As for my bad beats online, i play 50 $ SNG's.

Most recently, same game i lost with AQ twice to AJ where he hit J on river in an ALL in.

I know this happends to a lot of people but sorry, not like this.

Have you lost with pocket aces/pocket kings two hands in a roW?
Have you lost with a four of a kind to runner runner?
Have you flopped a full house then get running cards on the board so there is a 4 of a kind and he has ace kicker?

Have sympathy, i am a very good player and make good moves but they dont seem to pay off especially with luckly people.

Element187

06-15-2005, 08:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by isuck

thats what ive been playing. Its not all home game, PokerStars too.

A few stories for today.
10-2 BB position.

Flop was x-x-2

I raised, he called
next was a 10
I go all in and he shows his ace and says "I think i have it"
I show my two pair and he shows ace 8. Basically he had 3 outs because there was a possible inside straight draw he had which he didnt even realize and he hit.

Another game began, and i had AA in BB.
He raised a very large amount so i went all in and he called with K-7 suited and flopped trips. Sorry i cant do anything about that.

As for my bad beats online, i play 50 $ SNG's.

Most recently, same game i lost with AQ twice to AJ where he hit J on river in an ALL in.

I know this happends to a lot of people but sorry, not like this.

Have you lost with pocket aces/pocket kings two hands in a roW?
Have you lost with a four of a kind to runner runner?
Have you flopped a full house then get running cards on the board so there is a 4 of a kind and he has ace kicker?

Have sympathy, i am a very good player and make good moves but they dont seem to pay off especially with luckly people.

i had my pocket kings cracked 5 times in a row at a 1/2 limit table before in under 45 minutes.

ive lost with flopped 4 of a kind before

your stories are nothing any of us havent seen.

"Imagine how it would be to be at the top Making cash money, Go and tour all around the world, Tell stories about all the young girls." - The Prodigy - Girls

journey075

06-15-2005, 09:23 AM

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youre speaking to people who have seen 10s of thousands of hands (some have seen hundreds of thousands). we've seen it all.

right now you sound like a huge fish thats trying to play the pity card. we dont really care. we've had bad beats. life goes on.

spino1i

06-15-2005, 01:00 PM

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a lot of times what people call bad beats is actually poor play.

For example - someone raised pre-flop with AA for 4$ (4xBB) and I called with 44. Flop comes Q 7 4. He bets, I raise, he re-raises all in, I call. Turn and river come rags and I take down a 200$ pot.

He then cries and moans about how I am a stupid player and that 44 is suppose to lose to AA and how I got "soooo lucky" and how I should never have called his pre-flop raise with "that crap" to begin with. Yet I called knowing if i hit a set i would take his stack and if I missed I could just fold - a concept called "implied odds". So really did he get that unlucky? Not really, people hit sets all the time. What screwed him up was that he couldnt lay down his aces and even went all in with them despite my showing strength by raising him.

A true bad beat would be if after the all-in he catches an ace on the turn or river and beats me.. The reason me beating him with a set of 4s is not really a bad beat is because almost all his money went in on the flop (as opposed to paltry 4$ pre-flop) when the odds were 91-9 in my favor..

Rondavu

06-15-2005, 01:59 PM

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I'll go out on a limb here and say our thread starter went to Jamaica and pissed off a voo doo witch doctor. I know it sounds unlikely, but the voo doo witch doctor might be related to the proprieter of the poker site he plays on. He could be fixing the cards to make his voo doo seem legitimate, therefore porking our hero like Jenna Jameson with legitimate non voo doo methods.

Soon the witch doctor will become bored. He will go back to Jamaica. That's when every other player who plays on the poker site our thread starter plays on will simultaneously be vacationing in jamaica and piss off the same voo doo witch doctor. For the next three months he'll pork everyone but our hero on that site. I suggest playing high stakes above the bankroll when that occurs.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Zangief

06-15-2005, 03:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rondavu

For the next three months he'll pork everyone but our hero on that site. I suggest playing high stakes above the bankroll when that occurs.

Haha!

dalecooper

06-15-2005, 04:09 PM

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Mr. Isuck...

Sorry, but there is no sympathy here. We've all seen it. We've all had it happen to us. The first two months or so that I was trying to learn hold 'em, I took several merciless bad beats to lose tournaments to my friends. It should have been enough to put me off poker forever, or to convince me that I was the unluckiest person alive, but I stuck with it and realized later that it had nothing to do with me and it all evens out in the long run. Think you're unlucky? Play more hands. You'll be just as lucky and unlucky as all the rest of us.

For the record, here's my early poker career in brief:

1. My first game ever was a tournament... I made it to the final three (just out of the money, only top two got paid). Got check-raised all-in by a guy with a flush draw when I had a set on the turn. He sucked out on the river.

2. After a poor showing in my second tournament, I hosted the third one at my house. On the very first hand, I ended up all-in with three of a kind, tens, with an ace kicker. I was beaten by a boat that the guy hit on the turn with JT. After a rebuy, I rallied to make the final two spots. Was beaten in heads up play on a board of KKxKx (both x's are miscellaneous low cards) when i held pocket tens and my opponent held the case king.

3. My next tournament I thought for sure would be my first win... I was reading books and learning, and everyone else was stagnating. None of which matters when KQo calls your all-in with aces, and flops the nut straight to eliminate you.

It was around this time I got a Phil Mickelson shirt printed up for myself that said in big, bold letters: #2. I was convinced that bad luck was going to keep me from ever winning at poker. Recently, I have won my last four home game tournaments in a row, and shooting for a fifth next week... it's just the swings. It happens. I'm sure at any point I might have to endure a few losing sessions in a row.

drmcboy

06-15-2005, 05:30 PM

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What's the saying about bad beats? Something like "9 out of 10 people don't care, and the 10th is glad?"

This post has made me the tenth guy.

Until you get over the beats, "i am a very good player" is not accurate. Good players can handle bad beats... unless maybe your role model is Phil Helmuth, in which case I'm even MORE glad you're taking bad beats.

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Don't compare the bad luck to yours, compare attitudes, determine who is more likely to win money tonight. Thinking you are going to take bad beats leads to more bad beats.

isuck

06-16-2005, 04:47 AM

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I aint looking for sympathy.
I am very happy with my moves thus far and yes shit does happen. I wasn't aware of it though.

A question i have in mind...
Does everyone get a luck streak?

In my 3 years of playing, i have not had like 3 face card hands or premium hands in a row or like a 7 hand streak of hitting on the flop or getting the nuts 2+ times in a row. It happened to all my regulars at my tourney but not me.

I do win like 75% of the time which makes me proud to say that i can beat luck and win without it on my side.

journey075

06-16-2005, 10:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by isuck

is this a serious question? and if so, why are you dragging this thread out?

biondino

06-16-2005, 01:14 PM

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OMG ISUCK YOU ARE THE MAGICAL CURSED DUDE.

If you are remotely serious (and not someone cunningly trying to get a raise) then you are decidedly NOT a very good poker player because you blame luck for your failings. And if it's already established that you're not a very good player, then maybe your bad "luck" doesn't seem so unreasonable.

(as for the nuts - I literally can't remember the last time I had them, let alone the last time I had 2 in a row. Maybe I can't remember because I don't associate having the nuts with either a) my supreme talent or b) the fact I *deserve* them for being such a damn fine player)

dalecooper

06-16-2005, 01:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by isuck

I aint looking for sympathy.

He says, after saying:

Quote:

Have sympathy

and

Quote:

Sympathize with me

Which is it? Threads like this are about nothing but sympathy, and you're in the wrong place for it.

Quote:

In my 3 years of playing, i have not had like 3 face card hands or premium hands in a row or like a 7 hand streak of hitting on the flop or getting the nuts 2+ times in a row. It happened to all my regulars at my tourney but not me.

Here's the deal. I'm not going to come to your games and document your cards to prove you wrong. I don't care enough & don't have the time. But maybe you should start doing it yourself. Log your hands in a notebook, flops too, and enter it all into Excel. Over the course of (minimum) 10,000 hands you'll find that you get the same cards as everybody else, and the same flops. Your suited cards hit just as many flushes and flush draws, your pocket pairs hit just as many sets. This is the law of averages, and it applies to you whether you believe it or not. Your pessimism is very likely a BIG problem in your poker playing; you have a defeatist attitude and it probably affects how you play, how you bet, and the outcome you expect.

06-16-2005, 01:28 PM

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STBY.

a500lbgorilla

06-16-2005, 01:38 PM

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I motion that this thread by locked.

-'rilla

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

Sykedupp

06-16-2005, 04:18 PM

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I 2nd that motion, isuck is getting murdered here :P

-Chris

Quote:

Originally Posted by soupie

That is the beauty of poker, it doesnt matter how they play, you can always devise the perfect defense and counterpunch hard.

a500lbgorilla

06-16-2005, 04:23 PM

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{Locked}

-'rilla

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

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