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Monty9

12-27-2006, 01:12 PM Post subject: Two QQ hands..... help needed

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Blinds $0.25/$0.50
Full Ring... 7 oops.

been playing for about 30 mins. No real reads on opps. Nothing out of line.

HAND 1
UTG ($30) min raises $1.00
UTG+1 ($7.50) calls
folded to Hero on button
Hero ( $32) (QQ) raises to $3.50
Blinds fold
UTG calls
UTG raises $3.00 ( all-in )
Hero calls
UTG calls.

FLOP.... J, 5 , J rainbow
UTG bets $22.00 ( all- in )
Hero..????????

HAND 2

Hero UTG ($ 22.00 ) (QQ) raises $1.75
folds to button who calls ( ($14.00)
SB folds
BB calls
FLOP .... K,K, 9
BB checks
Hero bets $3.00
Button calls
BB folds.
TURN...... 9
Hero ....?????

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Faceblaster

12-27-2006, 01:32 PM

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I'm no expert, but on the first hand, it's tough. I do know this, it's not uncommon for a player to bet big to push a contender out of an all-in pot against a third party. I occasionally overbet in these hands for this reason. On the other hand, the calls could suggest a pp, and he has you on AK, in which case a call is your best bet. The problem is, KK, AA, and less likely, AJs could be in play. The other thing to take into consideration is that his AI is still just a pot-sized bet and he knows he's out if he doesnt push, even with 22. I would call most of the time , but really it's a read dependent play.

The second hand, I would have bet more PF, at least 2.5, but probably more. You put yourself in a predicament with the small raise because a wide range of hands could be at play here. I don't see myself pursuing this hand past the turn because of the variety of hands that beat you: KQs JKs 910s, 89s, AK, and for real donks, K10 or J9, not to mention a limper with AA, which happens occasionally. I'd let this one go.

Miffed22001

12-27-2006, 02:13 PM

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1. fold. Pot odds arent awful, but i get the feeling weak donks have a jack here a lot. (saying that id prob still call anyway

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2. bet again fold to a raise. Check/call (obv not a push) and then block river works well too, but opp is too short. This is a spot where you have to decide if you can fold if opp bets like a weak/tight n00b or decide if he has a king you'll pay him. Fwiw, i pay a king with opps stack size.
checking the flop because of stack sizes is also an option but probably misses value against an assumed donk (stack size)

mixchange

12-27-2006, 03:27 PM

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1. call, I don't see why if he has the jack he makes a move likely to push you out, more likely he has an under pair or AK.

AA of KK re-raises preflop so i dont see those. If he does have a jack, boohoo, but most of the time when I see this the guy missed the flop and thinks you don't have anything paired. I make a lot of money on moves like this from opponents. you'll lose some, but win a lot.

It would be an awful play if he did have a jack, missing value...if he did make this dumb play, then I expect to win my money back.

hand 2: tough spot, but i fold. could be JJ or 10-10, but just as easily is AK.

freechus9

12-27-2006, 06:27 PM

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The most important thing you are doing wrong is you are shortstacked. You should never ever be shortstacked. Shame on you.

Fold the flop in hand 1. Check/call the turn in hand 2; if he was a full-buy, though (and if you were, too), you'd check/fold.

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Monty9

12-27-2006, 08:49 PM

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Yeah... short stacked I know... I goofed.

As for the hands... I called the push... Opp had 10,10. Just couldn't see JJ,KK or AA here. Jx crossed my mind especially JK at this site.

Hand 2 I check folded to a potish bet.

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mixchange

12-27-2006, 08:56 PM

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the people who are telling you to fold the flop on hand #1 are crazy, no trips here are going to behave that way, if they do they are a bad player and it will be easy to get the money back, this is an instacall for me

always think of the bet as having a purpose. this is not to extract value, a second best hand that won't hold up to turns and rivers makes this bet.

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