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Old 08-08-2009, 01:45 AM     Post subject: Two pair vs. 2 fish, horrible turn card #1 (permalink)  
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Opener is 40/28 over 50 hands. SB is 25/2 after 40 hands. No other reads.

I think my flop bet sizing is too small. I was hoping that UTG+1 in particular would raise/shove a lot of draws here, but in hindsight I think it needs to be at least $40 maybe more on this board. Agreed?

The turn sucks. Plan?

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UTG ($31.00)
UTG+1 ($221.50)
MP1 ($231.40)
MP2 ($83.00)
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SB ($160.85)
Hero (BB) ($294.65)

Pre-flop: ($3, 8 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $10, 4 folds, SB calls $9, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($30, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $6, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $30, UTG+1 calls $24, SB calls $24

Turn: ($120, 3 players)
SB checks, ...halp?
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Old 08-08-2009, 03:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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fuck idunno that blows, chances are you're behind one of them, i guesssssssss you can check and hope for a cheap showdown or a timing tell or something?

I'd probably unplug my internet connection and pretend to be angry about it
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Building a sick pot to push the turn is fine.

Wow, I really have no idea how to play a non-club Ace here...

UTG is sooo retarded though.
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I am leaning toward a hard C / F turn... Even with a very wide fishy range for villains' card... I see 27 possible combos including cards like 10xJx and QQ after calls on the flop and you beat only 10 of them on the turn.(I think here villains could have flat called AK or 33 on the flop and would have reraised preflop with AA or KK). Hard turn, hard fold...
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 I like checking and seeing the bet size from utg followed by sb's reaction to it. Or utg will check.


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 checkraise obviously needs to be larger and shove any non-club turn. I would still make a committing bet here. btw preflop is turrible. I've been like 60/50 over 50 hands at a table, it doesn't auto make him a retard
 
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Yeah I hadn't actually thought that much about preflop, I was just looking to get in a pot with 2 fish, but a lot about it is not great - he raised 5x UTG and I didn't know if that was his standard or if it could be a stronger range. Also being OOP against the aggressive player doesn't really compensate for the more passive fish to my right and is going to land me in shit a lot..

So I agree that it's a mistake and a fairly big mistake with no real reads. ty.
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Difficult decision.
I go for a pot controlling check and get out if it gets too ugly.
Problem is that UTG+1 is quite likely to bet a wide range.
You might be favorite to have the best hand right now, but it is likely at least one of them will call you and give you a really difficult decision on the river.
In general I try to avoid getting into difficult decisions against bad players (I assume they are, but too little stats really). You will probably get better spots for playing a huge pot.
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