|
ZwiFT
|
03-01-2009, 11:23 AM
Post subject: Turning KK into bluff on the river
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Valuebet/fold
Posts: 778
|
|
Setting up a new table, villain is a reg.. he knows im a reg.
Put him on either flush or a ten, but river made the flush. He checks back and i think he would valuebet flush on the river because he knows i would check back anything with showdown value. And my line looks abit flushhy
Please comment my bluff!
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($111.20)
SB ($99.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , K
Hero bets $3, SB calls $2.50
Flop: ($6) 2, 10, 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB raises $14, Hero calls $10
Turn: ($34) 10 (2 players)
SB bets $21, Hero calls $21
River: ($76) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $45
Total pot: $76
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
badgers
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
|
|
nooooo wayyy...
well he's never ever folding better.
|
3k post - Return of the blog!
|
|
ZwiFT
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Valuebet/fold
Posts: 778
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by badgers
nooooo wayyy...
well he's never ever folding better.
|
feel free to explain
|
|
|
|
badgers
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
|
|
well I'd expect him to have air a lot here... I think he's going to vbet all his made hands on this river, I guess he can just about have a hand like 77-99 going for a thin (or not depending on history) c/r on the flop. In my experience, 200nl regs when playing heads up don't call oop very wide at all and tend to 3bet/fold too much, I presume 100nl regs are going to have the same tendancies.
I guess he can just about have AQ/KQ also. If I were to bet this river, it would be for value, but I think he's c/fing a lot of the time since he has air. I'd be really very suprised if he's c/fing a T ever. There is definitely value in betting for him and unless he's terrible he's not going to c/f.
|
3k post - Return of the blog!
|
|
ZwiFT
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Valuebet/fold
Posts: 778
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by badgers
well I'd expect him to have air a lot here... I think he's going to vbet all his made hands on this river, I guess he can just about have a hand like 77-99 going for a thin (or not depending on history) c/r on the flop. In my experience, 200nl regs when playing heads up don't call oop very wide at all and tend to 3bet/fold too much, I presume 100nl regs are going to have the same tendancies.
I guess he can just about have AQ/KQ also. If I were to bet this river, it would be for value, but I think he's c/fing a lot of the time since he has air. I'd be really very suprised if he's c/fing a T ever. There is definitely value in betting for him and unless he's terrible he's not going to c/f.
|
He was a FR reg, but didn't look like he had any HU experience. He never 3bet, and this is the first time he reraised my cbet. My reasoning for bluffing was that i was behind 100% of the time, and its really unlikely he got a flush. Because i got some history with him I'm not sure, could he really have much air here? There was basicly no huge dynamics built up in this match. And i expect him to think that my riverbets are for value
|
|
|
|
badgers
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
|
|
well idk, maybe I'm used to playing in more aggressive heads up games. I think we have a lot of showdown value, although I agree that it's a very weird spot for him to c/c, since it's very hard for us to have any bluffs here. In general though, it's pretty hard to make hands heads up and even full ring nits tend to make less heroic laydowns.
|
3k post - Return of the blog!
|
|
oskar
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: in ur accounts... confiscating ur funz
Posts: 2,452
|
|
I'd really want to bet this river for value. I don't see why a flush or trips would check. He might have 9T, TJ and wants to play it cautious. But I probably check behind and expect to take it down more often than not.
Why do you think he could lay down trips of a flush there? I don't get it.
|
|
|
|
ATOTHEC101
|
|
Full House
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,248
|
|
betting river for value is too thin without some sort of dynamic, his range feels fairly polarised, you beat all of the one half and he's never folding the other half thus check.
|
|
|
|
ZwiFT
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Valuebet/fold
Posts: 778
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by oskar
I'd really want to bet this river for value. I don't see why a flush or trips would check. He might have 9T, TJ and wants to play it cautious. But I probably check behind and expect to take it down more often than not.
Why do you think he could lay down trips of a flush there? I don't get it.
|
Maybe it was wrong of me not telling you guys more about this hand as it may seem like a wierd spot to bluff without history.
But i felt with the flow of the match, he wouldn't checkraise me without toppair/flushdraw. Throughout the match he showed huge respect for my bets. Yes i would count on him bluffing sometimes with air here but i think because of his gameplay this would be such a low part of his range.
I just feel like our range hits the flush so hard here
What happend was he tanked down and folded. So i guess he had a ten, sometimes hollywooding. But idk i just love to do shit like this when to board hits our range so hard and i feel like i have little-to no showdown value. So i wanted (still want) your opinion on how much showdown equity i really have here
|
|
|
|
Parasurama
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: DMT
Posts: 820
|
|
You really have the best idea based on this particular opponent, I would say in a standard HU match your bet on the river looks like it's for value, and KK is fairly strong on this board.
|
|
|
|
nutsinho
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
Posts: 3,280
|
|
if u think ur bluffing and not valuebetting this river then why in the fuck dont you fold the turn
|
|
My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
|
|
ZwiFT
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Valuebet/fold
Posts: 778
|
|
Quote:
|
if u think ur bluffing and not valuebetting this river then why in the fuck dont you fold the turn
|
I totally agree with this. My initial thoughts was that he was doing with top pair, flushdraw and sometimes air. I didn't think this player would 2barrel with air but would with trips and his draw.
Looking back there this was a stupid thought, there is no way he is checkraisin OOP with a flushdraw here
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
06-01-2012, 11:03 AM White House Responds to Poker Players Alliance's Petition
Linear Mode
