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Old 08-12-2009, 07:43 PM     Post subject: turned trips in BB,m 200nl #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is xOMGBentleyx 20/18/3.4 with 56% steal

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, Q
5 folds, Button bets $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13) Q, 6, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $8, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($29) Q (2 players)

Total pot: $29

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Old 08-12-2009, 09:22 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 lead and do it w/ dem draws as well
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:40 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 ZOOOOOOOOOOOOMGGGGGGGBENTLEY

He's checking behind close to 100% of the time on turn, so bet.


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Old 08-13-2009, 02:45 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Lead looks good.... how are you reacting to a raise, b/3bet (get it in), or b/fold???
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Old 08-13-2009, 06:07 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 Never 3betting if he raises because you're either WA/WB, but certainly not folding because our line is not THAT strong yet. Calling a raise though is certainly strong and narrows our hand range significantly. In which case I'm check calling nearly any turn/bet amount.


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Old 08-13-2009, 07:44 AM #6 (permalink)  
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a reg probably never barrels this turn because you might get stubborn with TT or something
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:14 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 I'd bet/call and check the river I think

I really don't like a turn c/r
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Old 08-13-2009, 05:33 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 check 100% of the time?
 
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Old 08-13-2009, 06:04 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 This is so read dependant on how he views you imo. If it was me I'd check 100% but I dont know how he plays you.
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Old 08-13-2009, 06:53 PM #10 (permalink)  
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lead and do it w/ dem draws as well
I think Id be c/ring / leading most of my draws I show up with on this flop.

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This is so read dependant on how he views you imo. If it was me I'd check 100% but I dont know how he plays you.
Pretty sure Bentley plays you about the same as he plays me. Stnd Bentley poker


I decided to check here...

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, Q
5 folds, Button bets $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13) Q, 6, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $8, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($29) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $26

Total pot: $29


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Old 08-13-2009, 07:40 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 I'm calling because I don't want to call a shove.

He has one of three hands: draw, air, or you're way behind. In that order. I'm not that worried about being way behind and a raise only gets rid of hands that have like 14-16% equity. The best way to get more value is on the river.


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 I'd C/R here because bentley would get it in with worse
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Old 08-13-2009, 11:55 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I'd C/R here because bentley would get it in with worse
wat. Unless you have a terrible image I can't see this being true. I have always found bentley to be extremely solid and seeing as we can have 66/88/QT/QJ/KQ maybe even AQ/Q9 trying to get it in is not good.
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Old 08-14-2009, 12:07 AM #14 (permalink)  
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I mean, obv we can still have a load of draws in our range too but I really don't think he's going to expect us to c/r our draws when he near pots the turn, especially on a paired board where we're not even drawing to the nuts. Because he's not expecting us to c/r our draws there's no way he's going to 3bet worse than QT for value unless you have some mad dynamic going on.
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Old 08-14-2009, 12:19 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 After checking turn, I can't see doing anything but calling.

As for whether we should be donking turn or checking, I would like to hear some arguments for both. I think I like a donk better, but as GT pointed out he is c/raising most draws on the flop, so a donk on the turn seems to make our range pretty transparent as Qx that doesn't want villain to check back hands with showdown value, or checking back draws due to reduced fold equity.

Fwiw, I usually check/call turn, but I always feel like I might miss out on value by doing so because more often than not, they check the turn back.
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Old 08-14-2009, 12:38 AM #16 (permalink)  
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 no one gets it in with worse here, check/call
 
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:19 AM #17 (permalink)  
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no one gets it in with worse here, check/call
what's our river line?
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:00 AM #18 (permalink)  
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no one gets it in with worse here, check/call
what's our river line?
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Old 08-14-2009, 02:45 PM #19 (permalink)  
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c/r is bad and lets him play perfectly
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Old 08-16-2009, 03:24 PM #20 (permalink)  
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I would go for the c/r. He has a very wide range of cards and he is aggressive so I guess it is fairly likely he will bet again with a worse hand on this board.
If we bet out he will fold a lot of hands that we could otherwise get value from.
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