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06-04-2008, 11:36 AM
Post subject: turned top set 240bb deep. Thoughts on every street please.
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SB is a solid (for 50nl) 200bb tables multi-tabler. He's fairly vocal in the chat and has been complaining about a run of beats and coolers yesterday (claims to have been down $400, but to have made most of it back this session).
I'm not using any HUD - I can't wait until PT3 gets it's shit together, why didn't pat keep on going it alone!?!?! But I think SB runs something like 16-13.
Villain's check call on the flop smells like a set, an overpair, 22/66 for the oesd, or the straight. My light notes don't help me here (3-bet QQ, checked behind on turn with TPTK)
Turn is interesting, it's the card I was asking for. I don't think villain is check-raising a draw here, maybe though. I have to 3-bet, and hoped villain had 55 - i don't think he can fold that and figure i should leave some rope. He insta-pushed and I called after a bit of thought. I was fearing the straight - but a set (likely) or semi-bluff (unlikely - I don't look like someone who wants to fold here) also fit what i was up against and I was holding top set.
Thoughts? flop bet is whatever - these guys are auto-folding a lot here. Turn play is interesting.
This is among the bigger pots I've played....
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
CO ($119.60)
Button ($95.05)
SB ($151.25)
BB ($100)
UTG ($117.85)
Hero ($120)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($5.75)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9 , 9 .
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, 1 fold.
Flop: ($5.75) 5, 4 , 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.5, MP2 folds, SB calls $2.50.
Turn: ($10.75) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $58, SB raises to $165 (All-In), Hero calls $66.75 (All-In).
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I don't see anything wrong with how you played it. I like the way you where thinking on every street and also your bet sizing.
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Fnord
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SB has a straight, so sick.
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daven
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Originally Posted by Fnord
SB has a straight, so sick.
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you think?
Even sicker.
River was a 5...
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d0zer
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Played exactly how I would have, only I probably bet the flop harder. $4.50 or so.
So SB had a straight that you sucked out on, or did he have the quad 5s?
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Originally Posted by Fnord
SB has a straight, so sick.
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That would be my first thought.
If he had 55 I'd say holy suckout Batman.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
SB has a straight, so sick.
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you think?
Even sicker.
River was a 5... |
Pay him off. Go throw up. Remind self it was a well-played hand.
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Originally Posted by daven
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Originally Posted by Fnord
SB has a straight, so sick.
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you think?
Even sicker.
River was a 5... |
Pay him off. Go throw up. Remind self it was a well-played hand. |
Lol.
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daven
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Played exactly how I would have, only I probably bet the flop harder. $4.50 or so.
So SB had a straight that you sucked out on, or did he have the quad 5s?
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I agree with d0zer here. I personally would bet the flop a little harder, but would like to see peoples explanation here as to what they would bet, taking into consideration 3way, etc. Unless this is your standard bet sizing daven (Howard Lederer does the same 1/2 pot standard bets too)
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sweetlemon69
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Can anyone comment? Really curious about this.
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Fnord
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Given his profile, his line almost can't be anything but a straight once he min-raises the turn. DUCY?
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d0zer
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Given his profile, his line almost can't be anything but a straight once he min-raises the turn. DUCY?
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No I don't CY he couldn't have played a set like this. If he's willing to let a flush draw for cheap on the flop with a straight, then he's probably willing to let a flush or straight draw cheap on flop.
Even if he's been tilted towards NIT due to a cooler, I don't see why a set is all that unlikely.
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Why would a set min-raise the turn with a third of the deck leaving him unsure where he's at on the river? Why wouldn't he just pop the flop to merge his range with draws that want to get it in on the flop?
Both waiting for the turn and the min-raise scream flopped straight or something funny he's playing weird. If he plays sets like that he's almost as retarded as the guys I play live poker with.
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d0zer
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If he plays sets like that he's almost as retarded as the guys I play live poker with.
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There aren't THAT many 50NL regs that aren't retarded. If he is actually tilting it could add to the retardation 
...how's 1kNL live goin' btw? beatin' the stank outta them games er what?
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Originally Posted by sweetlemon69
I agree with d0zer here. I personally would bet the flop a little harder, but would like to see peoples explanation here as to what they would bet, taking into consideration 3way, etc. Unless this is your standard bet sizing daven (Howard Lederer does the same 1/2 pot standard bets too)
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I'm making it 4/5 pot sized bet. 99 on a draw heavy board is not the type of hand you want to be pissing around with, making half pot or less against multiple opponents. I'm betting this same amount if it was heads up too
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...how's 1kNL live goin' btw? beatin' the stank outta them games er what?
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Doing well.
Last night there were some drug dealer looking types all blinged out raising every hand. Good times.
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I'm making it 4/5 pot sized bet. 99 on a draw heavy board is not the type of hand you want to be pissing around with, making half pot or less against multiple opponents. I'm betting this same amount if it was heads up too
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I over-bet the pot quite often in spots like this. Draws aren't folding.
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I'm making it 4/5 pot sized bet. 99 on a draw heavy board is not the type of hand you want to be pissing around with, making half pot or less against multiple opponents. I'm betting this same amount if it was heads up too
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I over-bet the pot quite often in spots like this. Draws aren't folding. |
I think I might start trying this.
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Originally Posted by d0zer
...how's 1kNL live goin' btw? beatin' the stank outta them games er what?
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Doing well.
Last night there were some drug dealer looking types all blinged out raising every hand. Good times. |
Was it you?
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this is sort of an easy read tbh and i wouldnt be very tempted at all to 3bet the turn.
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55 doesn't wanna get it in on the turn
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