Poker Forum

Over 1,232,000 Posts!

Subscribe to FTR web feed
Already Registered?      Username:    Password:   Remember      Forgot Password
  >    > 

Turned set in 3bet pot

  
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
badgers
Old 03-30-2008, 07:19 PM     Post subject: Turned set in 3bet pot #1 (permalink)  
badgers's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
badgers
Send a message via MSN to badgers
Opp is 13/6 with 10 att. to steal. AF is 1.3 but I have a simple note saying "spewy". 400 hand sample. He is on 3/4 of my tables.



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($49.50)
Button ($9.55)
SB ($72.30)
Hero ($53.10)
UTG ($50)
MP1 ($40)
MP2 ($55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T. MP1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.5, MP1 folds, SB calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.50) A, 6, 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($13.50) T (2 players)
SB bets $8.5, Hero raises to....?
3k post - Return of the blog!
 
Reply With Quote
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
Muzzard
Old 03-30-2008, 07:22 PM #2 (permalink)  
Muzzard's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cheshire, UK
Posts: 1,843
Muzzard is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to Muzzard Send a message via MSN to Muzzard
20-22 IMO, lets hope he has AK/AQ and can't fold it.
Reply With Quote
XTR1000
Old 03-30-2008, 07:23 PM #3 (permalink)  
XTR1000's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: May 2006
Location: surfing in a room
Posts: 2,188
XTR1000 is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via AIM to XTR1000
minraise, find it funny and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred View Post
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
yo
 
Reply With Quote
daven
Old 03-31-2008, 09:36 AM #4 (permalink)  
Straight Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
daven will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
minraise, find it funny and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot.
 
Reply With Quote
badgers
Old 03-31-2008, 09:47 AM #5 (permalink)  
badgers's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
badgers
Send a message via MSN to badgers
Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
minraise, find it funny and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeee

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO ($49.50)
Button ($9.55)
SB ($72.30)
Hero ($53.10)
UTG ($50)
MP1 ($40)
MP2 ($55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with , . MP1 posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP1 (poster) checks, 3 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6.5, MP1 folds, SB calls $4.50.

Flop: ($13.50) , , (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($13.50) (2 players)
SB bets $8.5, Hero raises to $17, SB raises to $65.8, Hero calls $29.60 (All-In).

River: ($106.70) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $106.70

Results in white below:
SB has Ah Qs (one pair, aces).
Hero has Ts Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $106.70.


sb said, "nice catch"
badgers_uk said, "ty"
sb said, "never expected you to be so idiot of that raise with TT"

Minraise ftw.
3k post - Return of the blog!
 
Reply With Quote
Fnord
Old 03-31-2008, 10:46 AM #6 (permalink)  
Fnord's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,204
Fnord
Send a message via MSN to Fnord
Walk me through your pre-flop and flop thinking.

I would call pre-flop but if I raised I'm c-betting any Ace board.
 
Reply With Quote
badgers
Old 03-31-2008, 10:57 AM #7 (permalink)  
badgers's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
badgers
Send a message via MSN to badgers
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Walk me through your pre-flop and flop thinking.

I would call pre-flop but if I raised I'm c-betting any Ace board.
Pre-flop I thought his range would be something like any PP/AJ+ especially with the poster so I think I am far enough ahead of this range to 3bet in position.

On the flop I thought that I was wa/wb and I immediately wanted a cheap showdown. The only FD I can imagine opp having is AKs and I'm behind that anyway so I'm not worried about giving the free card. The positive for betting is that it folds out JJ/QQ
3k post - Return of the blog!
 
Reply With Quote
Deanglow
Old 03-31-2008, 04:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
Deanglow's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: lol
Posts: 2,440
Deanglow is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
minraise, find it standard and see him shoving over AT/66/99 a lot.
FYP

Reraising 1010 in blind v blind is fine. I would also bet the flop a lot here but checking behind with showdown value is fine.
 
Reply With Quote
AlexMorris
Old 03-31-2008, 07:17 PM #9 (permalink)  

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 73
AlexMorris
The pre-flop raise seems great blind vs. blind. However, I hate the flop check. There are way too many over cards in his range that don't include an ace (KJ, KQ, QJ), which he should fold given a flop bet. All pocket pairs other than 66/99 will fold to a flop bet (he doesn't have AA based on his pre-flop call, so no worries there). I bet $8 on this flop and fold to a raise.

As played, any raise is fine. There's so much in the pot when you raise that he will call a push if he's willing to re-raise. FWIW, I raise to $22 in this spot.
Reply With Quote
badgers
Old 04-01-2008, 12:48 AM #10 (permalink)  
badgers's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
badgers
Send a message via MSN to badgers
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexMorris
The pre-flop raise seems great blind vs. blind. However, I hate the flop check. There are way too many over cards in his range that don't include an ace (KJ, KQ, QJ), which he should fold given a flop bet. All pocket pairs other than 66/99 will fold to a flop bet (he doesn't have AA based on his pre-flop call, so no worries there). I bet $8 on this flop and fold to a raise.
Ah but this nit will almost never call a 3bet OOP with any of those hands unpaired hands. What does cbetting achieve here? If I bet it's probs more unexploitable since my checking range is almost exclusively TT-KK but I doubt Mr Nit is capable of exploiting me and in a vacuum a flop check is not horrible at all imo.
3k post - Return of the blog!
 
Reply With Quote
Fnord
Old 04-01-2008, 12:53 AM #11 (permalink)  
Fnord's Avatar
Moderator

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,204
Fnord
Send a message via MSN to Fnord
If I'm checking KK-TT, I'm checking AK sometimes too. Particularly given your notes.
 
Reply With Quote
Miffed22001
Old 04-01-2008, 01:23 AM #12 (permalink)  
Miffed22001's Avatar
Straight Flush

Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
Posts: 8,181
Miffed22001 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
Walk me through your pre-flop and flop thinking.

I would call pre-flop but if I raised I'm c-betting any Ace board.
why do i want to 3bet a whole lot here? Because i ma fish or i believe fr players are incapable of 'good' blind play?
Reply With Quote
AlexMorris
Old 04-01-2008, 01:32 AM #13 (permalink)  

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 73
AlexMorris
Quote:
Originally Posted by badgers
Ah but this nit will almost never call a 3bet OOP with any of those hands unpaired hands.
If we really think he will fold KQ, KJ, and QJ to a re-raise from the big blind, then the check becomes more reasonable, but I still don't like it. The reason is that you cannot win this pot if you don't bet the flop or catch a 10. I can't imagine that he will let you show down for free with any hand that you beat. Would he really call with 55 (or similar) pre-flop and then be willing to check it down? The c-bet is a way to win the pot right now without having to face a tough decision later on, since I assume he's good enough to bet the turn or river if you keep checking. If he pushes back, then he has a big ace or a set, and you go away.

Were you planning to c/f on all streets?
Reply With Quote
badgers
Old 04-01-2008, 01:42 AM #14 (permalink)  
badgers's Avatar
4-of-a-Kind

Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
badgers
Send a message via MSN to badgers
I will usually call one street, I can see why Fnord says to balance with AK now because then I can call 2 streets sometimes and get value out of AQ/ opp trying to bluff me off KK-TT. (Incidently, particularly given your notes is a reference to the fact that this opp's more likely to two-barrel? Fnord's one-liners have so much info it's incredible)

If I bet I lose $10 every time he has an ace. If he does not have an ace I win the pot. By letting him bet his entire range on the turn I can win more money from his worse hands and lose the same amount against his good hands so hopefully I win more money. Problem is this guy might bet turn and river a lot with nothing so perhaps the bet is better.
3k post - Return of the blog!
 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Latest Poker News
eugmac Old 02-10-2012, 10:26 AM    WPT Lucky Hearts Poker Open Starts Today in Florida
The World Poker Tour makes its return to the Sunshine State with the WPT Lucky Hearts Poker Open, a non-televised Season X Main Event to take place at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Hollyw ...

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 06:22 PM.


FTR Testimonials

All content
© FlopTurnRiver.com
Advertising  |   Partners  |   Testimonials  |   T&C  |   Contact Us  |   FTR News & Press  |   Site Map  |   Search FTR

Full Tilt  |   Titan Poker  |   UltimateBet  |   Poker Stars  |   Ladbrokes Bonus  |   Sportsbook  |   Cake Poker  

Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum
This is not a gambling website.