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Old 06-03-2006, 09:48 PM     Post subject: Turn check w/boat #1 (permalink)  
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $135.17
Hero: $100
MP1: $124.26
MP2: $99.65
MP3: $125.65
CO: $71.21
Button: $97.50
SB: $268.20
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with K K
UTG raises to $3, Hero calls, 3 folds, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: T K 3 ($10.5, 3 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero raises to $15, CO folds, UTG calls.

Turn: T ($40.5, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: 9 ($40.5, 2 players)
UTG bets $25, Hero raises all-in $82, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: $204.5
UTG shows Ac Ah
Hero shows Kc Kd
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Old 06-03-2006, 11:05 PM #2 (permalink)  
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just bet like $20 on turn so you can keep building the pot, and you can make money from the big draws even when they miss by getting them to put more in on turn
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Old 06-04-2006, 01:43 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 ugh, preflop is kind of gross in this spot. 3-bet is by far the best play with so many players to act behind you. If somebody else calls behind you it's kind of bad, and if there are multiple callers behind you then your hand becomes really tough to play. You'll probably disagree, but meh.

Given that he raised UTG, bet the flop 3-way, and called your raise with a player still to act behind you, this guy likes his hand. Could be a draw or an AK/AAish type hand. I'd probably bet this turn but I don't hate your play either. The ten on the turn makes 33 look like the only likely set out there in villain's eyes.
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Old 06-04-2006, 02:05 PM #4 (permalink)  
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ugh, preflop is kind of gross in this spot. 3-bet is by far the best play with so many players to act behind you. If somebody else calls behind you it's kind of bad, and if there are multiple callers behind you then your hand becomes really tough to play. You'll probably disagree, but meh.

Given that he raised UTG, bet the flop 3-way, and called your raise with a player still to act behind you, this guy likes his hand. Could be a draw or an AK/AAish type hand. I'd probably bet this turn but I don't hate your play either. The ten on the turn makes 33 look like the only likely set out there in villain's eyes.
Yeah, I actually had the 3-bet dialed in preflop and then rethought, but I don't disagree with you necessarily. Table was pretty tight and villain hadn't raised a lot, so I decided to try representing a weaker holding to see how far he'd go. When he called my flop raise then I had to credit him with AA/AK. My thought on the turn check was that if he was checking to me, he might be concerned about me holding KT so I wanted to look like it didn't help me. gabe's point about draws is well taken though...
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:44 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Turn check is awful. K's are completely dead, so he is probably calling you on the flop with a draw. Failing to bet the turn is like refusing to take money from someone who wants to give it to you.

And why aren't you reraising preflop?
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