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spino1i
Old 10-12-2005, 07:03 AM     Post subject: The turn check behind.. Stars 1/2 NL #1 (permalink)  
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The idea behind turn check behind is simple. If the guy has a monster (i.e. a set) i pay him off on his river bet. If he tries to bluff on the river thinking I dont have anything, I pick off his bluff. If he has some weak pocket pair, then I make a big bet on the river after his check making it look like a bluff. He calls and I get a bunch of extra value from the weak hand that I wouldnt have gotten from making a turn bet.

Here is an example of it in action..

PokerStars Game #2784533465: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/10/12 - 02:58:12 (ET)
Table 'Aglaja' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: stickboy26 ($84.90 in chips)
Seat 2: roughjustice ($47.95 in chips)
Seat 3: rps5000 ($204.30 in chips)
Seat 4: jeffbeesdat ($146.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Nerdybird ($177 in chips)
Seat 6: Triple9 ($188.10 in chips)
Seat 7: ppearman ($128.75 in chips)
Seat 8: AbsoluteAces ($200 in chips)
Seat 9: EvilEcstasy ($193.35 in chips)
stickboy26: posts small blind $1
roughjustice: posts big blind $2
ppearman: posts small & big blinds $3
AbsoluteAces: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to EvilEcstasy [Ad Qd]
rps5000: folds
jeffbeesdat: raises $2 to $4
Nerdybird: folds
Triple9: folds
ppearman: calls $2
AbsoluteAces: calls $2
EvilEcstasy: calls $4
stickboy26: folds
roughjustice: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [7d 4h Ac]
roughjustice: checks
jeffbeesdat: checks
ppearman: checks
AbsoluteAces: checks
EvilEcstasy: bets $8
roughjustice: folds
jeffbeesdat: calls $8
ppearman: folds
AbsoluteAces: folds
*** TURN *** [7d 4h Ac] [Td]
jeffbeesdat: checks
EvilEcstasy: checks
*** RIVER *** [7d 4h Ac Td] [4c]
jeffbeesdat: checks
EvilEcstasy: bets $28
jeffbeesdat: calls $28
*** SHOW DOWN ***
EvilEcstasy: shows [Ad Qd] (two pair, Aces and Fours)
jeffbeesdat: mucks hand
EvilEcstasy collected $91 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $94 | Rake $3
Board [7d 4h Ac Td 4c]
Seat 1: stickboy26 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: roughjustice (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: rps5000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jeffbeesdat mucked [Kh Kc]
Seat 5: Nerdybird folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Triple9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ppearman folded on the Flop
Seat 8: AbsoluteAces folded on the Flop
Seat 9: EvilEcstasy (button) showed [Ad Qd] and won ($91) with two pair, Aces and Fours
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:12 AM #2 (permalink)  
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similar hand the other day in a live cash game

.50-1 blinds

I raise $3 with JJ
MP guy raises to $10
I called

flop AJ3, I check, he checks

turn x, I bet $20, he goes all-in and shows QQ
take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
 
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:19 AM #3 (permalink)  
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similar hand the other day in a live cash game

.50-1 blinds

I raise $3 with JJ
MP guy raises to $10
I called

flop AJ3, I check, he checks

turn x, I bet $20, he goes all-in and shows QQ
Actually thats completely different. Thats just slow-playing, you're waiting for him to catch something, or think that you are weak so that he will start betting. It can be used on any street, given you have a monster.

You use the turn check-behind only when you hold a middle strength hand and want to avoid paying the monster off too much while getting more money out of the weaker hands. So you limit how big the pot can get by checking behind.
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:21 AM #4 (permalink)  
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i am blind, the flop action looked like all checks to me. My point was you probably could have given a free card on that flop and still been ok on later rounds
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:21 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I think that's sometimes a good tactic when you've opened preflop and made a bet on the flop that looks identical to a continuation bet. Your opponent may suspect a bluff and becomes more prone to value bet weaker hands, bluff, or make weak calls. Sometimes it allows you to get in a check-raise on the turn when your opponent wouldn't have even called a bet.
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:24 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I think that's sometimes a good tactic when you've opened preflop and made a bet on the flop that looks identical to a continuation bet. Your opponent may suspect a bluff and becomes more prone to value bet weaker hands, bluff, or make weak calls. Sometimes it allows you to get in a check-raise on the turn when your opponent wouldn't have even called a bet.
This turn check-behind move is only done when you hold position. So you cant check-raise (since thats only done out of position)
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:39 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I think that's sometimes a good tactic when you've opened preflop and made a bet on the flop that looks identical to a continuation bet. Your opponent may suspect a bluff and becomes more prone to value bet weaker hands, bluff, or make weak calls. Sometimes it allows you to get in a check-raise on the turn when your opponent wouldn't have even called a bet.
This turn check-behind move is only done when you hold position. So you cant check-raise (since thats only done out of position)
I know, I was speaking more generally.
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