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Old 04-11-2010, 05:23 AM     Post subject: TT OOP 3way pot with reg/fish #1 (permalink)  
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 Leimel is 18/15/1.5 with a 56% cbet percentage over 600+ hands.

Debali is running 59/12 over 30 hands.

Is the flop donk bet optimal? What's plan for the turn?


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Stacks:
UTG RNiner R9 ($100)
UTG+1 DEBALI ($73.60)
MP1 chelseajt08 ($100)
MP2 cfeuer ($134.40)
CO LeiMel ($254.40)
BTN catleonet ($101)
SB BigJimJones ($197.95)
BB Hero ($100)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 8 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, DEBALI calls $1, 2 folds, LeiMel raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, DEBALI calls $4

Flop: ($15.50, 3 players)
Hero bets $10, DEBALI calls $10, LeiMel calls $10

Turn: ($45.50, 3 players)
Hero checks, DEBALI bets $15, LeiMel folds, Hero calls $15

River: ($75.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, DEBALI bets $20, $20 to Hero ($70)?
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Old 04-11-2010, 06:53 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 isnt his cbetting range wider than his donk-calling range? i'm a pretty passive kind of a fish, but i don't understand why you are leading this flop?

not sure about the turn. does he ever smooth your flop lead with a higher pair? i'm assuming he raises all sets on the flop. thats if he's even opening 33-55. because he didnt raise the flop i get a feeling the original raiser will have 66-TT alot. debali likely has a pretty wide range here. the jack is pretty much a brick for everyone's ranges, and it halfs the possible combos of one of the overpairs to your tens. so if you are good on the flop (which i assume you believe you are by leading) you have to assume you are good on the turn.
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Donk lead is obviously the best way to get value from fish and prevent a check behind from the reg.Now i'd go pot control mode from turn on.c/c if fish bets and reg folds.c/f if reg bets.
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Donk lead is obviously the best way to get value from fish and prevent a check behind from the reg.Now i'd go pot control mode from turn on.c/c if fish bets and reg folds.c/f if reg bets.
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 [Updated OP with turn and river actions...]

Kind of a gay card. But his betsize makes me want to call, given I think he would bet larger with Ax. Thoughts?
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 Kinda feel like we should fire the turn for moar fish value
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 Yeah... I was torn on that. I think there is some value to be had against the fish, and think I'm likely ahead of reg on the flop (not sure if he raises JJ+ on flop, but think so due to fish).
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 might be a bit crazy but what about check, see what the fish does, if he bets jam if leimel bets fold. (depending on sizing of course)
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might be a bit crazy but what about check, see what the fish does, if he bets jam if leimel bets fold. (depending on sizing of course)
are you trying to make a fish fold a straight??

Actually I hadn't considered the possibility of the reg raising JJ+/sets with the considerable number of scare cards for some reason... that makes turn very close.

River is so gay. I call but I am a massive station vs unknowns...
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wait you were talking about the turn? Seems like a decent line, hopefully he'll call with A high. Depends on how frequently you think he'll bluff river when he misses.
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wait you were talking about the turn? Seems like a decent line, hopefully he'll call with A high. Depends on how frequently you think he'll bluff river when he misses.
yeah the turn

like if he has 66-99, 6x, 5x (like A5/A3/A2 and shit) he won't fold if he bets like 1/3-1/2 his stack on the turn.

edit: yeah I'm jamming over this $15 bet for value as played fold river.
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River is a fold,whatever.I kind of like 3 bet squeeze preflop and avoid this tough situation with the worst relative&abosolute position.
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 The problem with 3betting preflop is if Leimel continues, I'm not in great shape against his range, with him having position, and the fish is less likely to continue. I think in this spot I would flat the majority of my range, to bring fish along, and donk a lot of flops for value.
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 I always donk lead there for value. Reg is never cb-bluffing, his value range isn't wide enough, you get more value from both him and the fish by donking. Plus if the fish then gaydonks and the reg calls you're in a really bad spot to get stacks vs weak hands.

I lead turn again and shove river (cuz of stack size). - don't expect fish to fold any part of his flop calling range on the turn, except for 8T maybe.

As played I c/c the river. You guys see connected boards with your magic xray goggles, but a 60/15 needs the fingers of both hands to figure out that an A or a 6 make a straight now. He could be betting all kinds of crap.

yah, c/r turn as played, just because he'll stackoff lighter there than on the river imo.
Not in love with a squeeze pre. You'll iso the fish a ton, but reg will play very straight forward post flop, and if reg calls and fish folds ur fked.
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