Originally Posted by EricE

Easy check on the turn. Fold to a bet.

You had a read that made you think he wouldn't have a J in hand or were you just hoping. Betting on hope doesn't work out too well.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

Title says it all.

Originally Posted by LimpinAintEZ

I don't mind repping the bigger pair on the flop or the turn - The only glaring mistake i see is calling his river re-raise - You aren't against a short stack here which i'm assuming means he's not an idiot, so 2 cold calls followed by a river raise is telling you that your behind - I have led out the turn and river the same way w/out having the monster, but once its re-raised, especially the river, you just have to let it go...If it makes you feel better you can take all your time like your really thinking about your hand - Go ahead and represent that your making a tough laydown, but do lay it down....also, if you C-bet a lot (which is good, i think) you need to be prepared to not get married to decent PP's...This seems to me like your almost being too stubborn with the 10's here....

Originally Posted by apunisher

ya just hate folding to minraises on river, feel like im getting too good of price

Originally Posted by apunisher

77, 88, or 99 dont call flop bet? and wouldn't these hands also bet the turn if checked to? It should probably be added that i cbet alot

Originally Posted by freechus9

No, they dont. Would you?

Originally Posted by Fnord

I would call the flop with those hands against some players.

Originally Posted by Fnord

I would call the flop with those hands against some players.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

Me too. Probably wouldn't call the turn against most players, though.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Me neither, I raise!

Originally Posted by jackvance

The key element there is "crazy laggtard". Your made a read-dependant play, not one that is generally advised.

I check either the turn or the river there. Might even check the flop. Reason I might not cbet here is that I didn't totally miss the flop (as in, my hand might very well be best, but weaker hands aren't too likely to string along if I value bet), so I can still extract value from weaker hands or bluffs.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

Well, depends on the player, don't it?

Originally Posted by jackvance

The key element there is "crazy laggtard". You made a read-dependant play, not one that is generally advised. That doesn't really prove anything besides the fact that reads override standard lines.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Not many players have a Jack here often. Some players will laydown better hand to my line.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

That being the case, what are you advocating - c-bet flop, check-raise turn? If you get called on a turn raise, do you look to check down or fold the river?

Originally Posted by Fnord

I'm playing the villian's hand. My prior post was confusing, I'll edit it.

I'm a big fan of raising with implied threat and position. Particularly on the turn because they will think about why you just called the flop and can only count on 1 more card to come.