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Old 05-18-2007, 06:58 AM     Post subject: TT on all under flop #1 (permalink)  
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Havnt played many hands with villain, but has been pretty loose from what ive seen. Stats over 46 hands are 35/22/1.5 with a 4 flop AF.


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Button ($127.25)
SB ($73.60)
BB ($299.10)
Hero ($104)
UTG+1 ($16.50)
MP1 ($101.50)
MP2 ($19)
MP3 ($85.75)
CO ($178.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises to $3.5, 1 fold, MP1 calls $3.50, 4 folds, SB calls $3, 1 fold.

Flop: ($11.50) 2, 7, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, MP1 raises to $18, SB folds, Hero raises to $63, MP1 calls $36.

Turn: ($128.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $46.5 (All-In)



Edit: The flop rereraise is really $54, the editor added my orginal bet to the total rereraise. Someone should do something about this!!!
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:19 PM     Post subject: Re: TT on all under flop #2 (permalink)  
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Edit: The flop rereraise is really $54, the editor added my orginal bet to the total rereraise. Someone should do something about this!!!
What do you mean? How much money have you put in so far on this street?

$54 or $63?. It says raises to $63 so its right in that case.
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Old 05-18-2007, 02:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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$54 total put in on turn. It was being half sarcastic in the urgency of the matter...

so i raised $9 and then reraised to $54, not reraised 54 to make it 63.
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Old 05-19-2007, 08:22 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't really see anything you can beat that will call your push tbh.
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Old 05-19-2007, 12:00 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I try not to stack off with just an overpair here. Depending on reads, I'd either call or fold to the flop minraise and probably check the turn to see what opp does. If he checks behind on the turn I block the river.
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Old 05-19-2007, 07:04 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 call flop, stack a donk turn.
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Old 05-19-2007, 09:19 PM #7 (permalink)  
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He's laying himself good odds (>4:1 when he's ~36% to beat 2 pair) with the push and may possibly scare villain off his draw. Only thing that nails hero is a set. As played, hero is pretty much committed to pushing the turn, given the slim amount behind.

As far as playing the flop aggressively, I think it's a reasonable move. If you put villain on a draw (the 7c8c makes straight and flush draws a real possibility) than hero's overpair aggression is +EV. Plus, minraising in position is a very common semibluff-with-a-draw move (to get a free river, I guess). After hero pot commits himself, and villain merely smooth calls, I think it's safe to say that two-pair is out (why wouldn't villain just shove?).

Villain was rope-a-doping with his minraise (and had a set) or was transparently semi-bluffing (with an oesd or flush draw). Is he more likely to have 22/77/88 or 56/9T/TJ/Acxc? If you thought he was drawing well done.

Since you pot-committed yourself on the flop, the turn card was irrelevant, but that was a terrible card. (56,TJ).

All in all I think you played it well. Given an overpair on this flop, you either have to push hard or fold. Calling is off the table. He's got a draw or a set. If he had a draw, you denied him proper odds (+ev for you). If he had a set, whatever, you have to pay it off. Paying off a set with an overpair on such a dry, raggy board as this one is pretty much inevitable.

Edit: ditto for larger overpairs... if he slowplayed JJ+ then this flop was a godsend.
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Old 05-19-2007, 11:29 PM #8 (permalink)  
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call flop, stack a donk turn.
I guess i dont get what this means. Am i the donk getting stacked or is he?
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Old 05-20-2007, 12:42 AM #9 (permalink)  
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call flop, stack a donk turn.
I guess i dont get what this means. Am i the donk getting stacked or is he?
stack-a-donk= check-raise all in on non danger card turn.
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Old 05-20-2007, 02:48 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Ok gotcha. As played was it bad?
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Old 05-20-2007, 05:30 AM #11 (permalink)  
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call flop, stack a donk turn.
I dislike this line here. So many of the draws that might be semibluffing will check behind if we call the flop and then check the turn and almost everything that bets the turn beats us already. Imo the only hands stack a donk "works" against here are 99, 8x and maybe a mid PP and and none of them are calling a push (without knowing the turn card).

I think stack-a-donk here just gives a free card to draws while handing our stack to sets/better overpairs.

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