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spino1i
Old 06-30-2005, 07:46 PM     Post subject: Trying to bluff, what should I have done? #1 (permalink)  
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I was trying to rep an ace here (thought he had KK), but it didnt work out, I think possibly because he had one.. how should I have tried to bluff here?

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$400 NL Hold'em - Thursday, June 30, 14:47:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 36864 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: MiradaMama ( $279.55 )
Seat 3: vtpokerking ( $535 )
Seat 6: scound ( $366.1 )
Seat 8: Kallex ( $473.6 )
Seat 1: bluenipple ( $407.2 )
Seat 9: EvilEcstasy_ ( $386 )
Seat 5: BMF_75 ( $154.35 )
Seat 4: Hopmonster ( $394 )
Seat 7: go_player ( $396 )
Seat 10: bogjavul123 ( $405.4 )
bluenipple posts small blind [$2].
Hopmonster posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EvilEcstasy_ [ Qh Qc ]
BMF_75 folds.
scound folds.
MiradaMama has left the table.
>You have options at Table 36831 Table!.
go_player calls [$4].
Kallex folds.
countcapula has joined the table.
EvilEcstasy_ raises [$15].
bogjavul123 folds.
bluenipple folds.
Hopmonster raises [$26].
>You have options at Table 55032 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 36558 Table!.
go_player folds.
EvilEcstasy_ calls [$15].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Ad, Ts ]
>You have options at Table 36831 Table!.
Hopmonster bets [$45].
>You have options at Table 55032 (No DP) Table!.
EvilEcstasy_ raises [$90].
Hopmonster calls [$45].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
Hopmonster checks.
>You have options at Table 36558 Table!.
EvilEcstasy_ bets [$150].
>You have options at Table 36558 Table!.
Hopmonster is all-In [$274]
EvilEcstasy_: AK?
>You have options at Table 36831 Table!.
>You have options at Table 55032 (No DP) Table!.
EvilEcstasy_ folds.
Hopmonster does not show cards.
Hopmonster wins $667
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Old 06-30-2005, 07:57 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Looks like a bad spot to attempt a bluff, he's obviously pretty strong. Looks like AA to me (although KK would play that way too). I let it go after his $45 flop bet. Since your'e in position, you could also check behind on the turn, see what he does on the river, if he checks, then push all-in. (Risky, but looks like you're being pretty risky anyway)
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Old 06-30-2005, 08:05 PM #3 (permalink)  
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No point staying involved in this hand. He could easily have AK or AA, or just KK and not buying your crap. It doesn't matter. Check/fold after the flop action. For that matter, you might just fold the flop; it's a terrible board for you, and there's no real reason to put him on KK except wishful thinking.
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Old 06-30-2005, 08:50 PM #4 (permalink)  
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After he calls your raise on the flop, you should probably adjust your read of the situation. At this point, it's likely enough he's holding A-K to make bluffing very unprofitable, unless he's an extremely conservative player. I'd just surrender this pot on the turn.
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Old 06-30-2005, 09:05 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Don't minraise the flop.

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Old 06-30-2005, 09:50 PM #6 (permalink)  
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eh i wouldnt minraise the flop after he bet into you with a little less than a potsized bet. then he called and checked on the turn, usually when someone bets hard into you on the flop and calls the raise, hes check raising the turn. some hands arent bluffable, you just picked one where your opponent had a hand.
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Old 06-30-2005, 09:54 PM #7 (permalink)  
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A raise and a re-raise preflop with an ace on the board. Thats a bad spot to bluff, but if you are going to make it something like 125 on the flop and ditch it on the turn.

I have the same problem that you do, i sometimes assume that players make plays for the same reasons i do, and just because you would only re-raise AA, KK pre-flop it doesn't mean that your opponent wont. Just a comment cause its something i've noticed throughout your hand histories, and i catch myself doing the exact same thing too.
 
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Old 07-01-2005, 07:31 AM #8 (permalink)  
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His call of your flop bet should signal the end of this bluff attempt. He would be crazy to hang on without TP and even if he did have KK he is not buying so give it up right there.

I think he has AA which is why he went AI when the straight draw
was looking more real on the turn.
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Old 07-01-2005, 07:42 AM #9 (permalink)  
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i just dont bluff on ace high flops as a general rule. probably doesn't mean anything.
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