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Old 10-21-2005, 03:49 PM     Post subject: Trapping with AA vs QQ-KK #1 (permalink)  
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What do you think of this move, My notes:

Decided to trap post flop vs his (likely) QQ-KK... may of been better to trap by leading out at flop hoping for a re-raise to build pot? ..Then easier to get AI at turn. This is a great way to take a stack off someone with KK that won't get AI PF as the trap diagrams I have overpair (lower than theirs!) till I c/r or re-raise. Is this worth the risk of a Q or K flopping and having tricky desicion wrt op flopping trips?

** Game ID 340497474 starting - 2005-10-21 13:56:22
** Gold Star [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- UKBob40 sitting in seat 1 with $17.15
- OgreJoe sitting in seat 2 with $9.80
- Wadim sitting in seat 3 with $23.20
- jellybeen1 sitting in seat 4 with $17.81 [Dealer]
- Mezrich sitting in seat 5 with $2.81
- Julius27 sitting in seat 7 with $1.80
- AlexanderC sitting in seat 8 with $23.64
- SinkRox sitting in seat 9 with $20.45
- funandgames sitting in seat 10 with $9.16

Mezrich posted the small blind - $0.10
Julius27 posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to SinkRox: Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Clubs
AlexanderC folded
SinkRox raised - $1.20
funandgames folded
UKBob40 folded
OgreJoe folded
Wadim raised - $2.80
jellybeen1 folded
Mezrich folded
Julius27 folded
SinkRox called - $2.80

** Dealing the flop: 4 of Clubs, 6 of Clubs, 9 of Spades
SinkRox checked
Wadim bet - $3.80
SinkRox raised - $7.60
Wadim raised - $11.40
SinkRox went all-in - $10.05
Wadim called - $17.65

** Dealing the turn: 10 of Diamonds

** Dealing the river: 6 of Hearts
Wadim mucks:
SinkRox wins $39.15 from the main pot

End of game 340497474
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Old 10-21-2005, 04:08 PM #2 (permalink)  
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just had a simular situation, as he was short stacked I flat called preflop to try and trap for his stack post-flop, but the turn really screwed me up:

** Game ID 340615864 starting - 2005-10-21 17:01:46
** Gold Star [Hold 'em] (0.10|0.20 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Aris68 sitting in seat 1 with $21.30
- SkalmaN_84 sitting in seat 2 with $6.25
- rucus666 sitting in seat 3 with $17.10
- alice18 sitting in seat 5 with $7.42
- SinkRox sitting in seat 6 with $19.20 [Dealer]
- Ashleybb sitting in seat 7 with $19.70
- stubby1690 sitting in seat 9 with $10.59
- VeeliX sitting in seat 10 with $16.70

Ashleybb posted the small blind - $0.10
stubby1690 posted the big blind - $0.20
** Dealing card to SinkRox: Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Spades
VeeliX folded
Aris68 folded
SkalmaN_84 raised - $0.60
rucus666 folded
alice18 folded
SinkRox called - $0.60
Ashleybb folded
stubby1690 folded

** Dealing the flop: 7 of Clubs, 6 of Clubs, 2 of Diamonds
SkalmaN_84 bet - $0.60
SinkRox called - $0.60

** Dealing the turn: Queen of Diamonds
SkalmaN_84 bet - $0.40
SinkRox raised - $2.40
SkalmaN_84 raised - $4.40
SinkRox raised - $6.40
SkalmaN_84 went all-in - $0.65

** Dealing the river: 2 of Clubs
SkalmaN_84 shows: Queen of Clubs, Queen of Spades
SkalmaN_84 wins $12.20 from the main pot



is this rubbish play or quite a good approach considering he's short stacked?
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Old 10-21-2005, 05:40 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 im a big fan of using AA even KK (if short handed) in this manner. I found it more and more difficult to get opps to commit their stacks preflop. Therefore im trying to induce them into flopping something or seeing a flop they like so that i can take maximum reward from it.
If we assume you only get busted something like 1 in 8 for the set which means you lose then probably most of the time making the play is +ev imo unless you can get them all in before the flop.
my experience upto 100nl has shown that opps dont expect you to cold call a preflop reraise with AA, they expect you to push and are wary of it. keep making the play imo

edit i say this also because we seem to have had a lot of people talking about folding KK preflop in all sorts of situations, so my thinking is let them think you have a weaker PP TT/JJ or even AK rather than the rockets and let them hang themselves so to speak
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Old 10-21-2005, 07:22 PM #4 (permalink)  
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if you didnt play the hand that way you would of still lost it, he would of called an all in flop raise anyway........
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Old 10-21-2005, 07:26 PM #5 (permalink)  
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lol i love how he bets less on the turn when he hits the set
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Old 10-21-2005, 07:47 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I have 2 ways I play AA/KK. Fast and faster. I also don't min-raise a whole lot.
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Old 10-24-2005, 07:40 PM #7 (permalink)  
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ya i dont see what min-raising acomplishes unless you are trying to draw for cheap or something and dont want them to raise more
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