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spino1i
Old 10-14-2005, 07:38 PM     Post subject: Trap or reraise? #1 (permalink)  
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$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, October 14, 15:06:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 36615 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: brcabrca4 ( $68 )
Seat 2: NewDream ( $111.70 )
Seat 3: Kingfish__ ( $94.50 )
Seat 4: Kajdee ( $100.40 )
Seat 5: INDANGO_1 ( $143.70 )
Seat 6: Lakis ( $185.24 )
Kajdee posts small blind [$0.50].
INDANGO_1 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kingfish__ [ 9c Tc ]
Lakis folds.
brcabrca4 calls [$1].
NewDream folds.
Kingfish__ raises [$3.50].
Kajdee folds.
INDANGO_1 raises [$5].
brcabrca4 folds.
Kingfish__ calls [$2.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 7h, 8d ]
INDANGO_1 checks.
Kingfish__ bets [$5].
INDANGO_1 raises [$10].
Kingfish__ ???
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:48 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Re-raise. Need to know where you stand (need to see if someone has a set, so if the board pairs you know where you are) (I don't see AJ making another re-raise)
Dealer: bencathers has two pair, Aces and Deuces
Dealer: Tbags has two pair, Kings and Jacks
Dealer: Tbags finished the tournament in 256th place
Tbags [observer]: another scumbag gets there on this site lol
 
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:51 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'd say trap for sure. It's a beautiful flop for you; there isn't even a matched suit. He has a high pair (otherwise, why the reraise PF?). Let him think you're on the straight draw and hammer at you. Just call to the river and put in a raise at the end. If nothing near your straight appears, make a huge bet at the end so that you looked like you missed your straight and are bluffing. If a king, ace or queen drops on the river, go all-in. He may have hit a set and will call you.
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:55 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I'd probably call, check-raise the turn if the board doesn't pair and hope to stack him.

If you put him on a set, another interesting line may be to make a minimum reraise, as if to say "I have an overpair but I'm trying to define my hand now to get a better read on yours." If he comes back over the top, simply call, and then check-raise the turn if the board doesn't pair. You should be able to take his stack pretty efficiently that way.

This is one of the reasons I sometimes like to raise these hands preflop. You're implied odds become huge, and you can disguise some monster hands by representing high cards or a high pair preflop.
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Old 10-14-2005, 08:42 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I reraised. My reasoning was this: "strike while the iron's hot!" I knew once he minraised me had an overpair, and who can lay down an overpair on the flop in 6-max? Espically after a raise and a reraise pre-flop?

If I had called a scare card could have come (the board showing 4-to-a-straight, the high card on the board pairing making him afraid of top pair, etc.), and he might not have paid me off. Instead:

Kingfish__ raises [$15].
INDANGO_1 is all-In [$127.70]
Kingfish__: sorry bud
Kingfish__ is all-In [$68.50]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
Kingfish__ shows [ 9c, Tc ] a straight, seven to jack.
INDANGO_1 shows [ Kd, Kh ] two pairs, kings and eights.
INDANGO_1 wins $49.20 from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and eights.
Kingfish__ wins $187.50 from the main pot with a straight, seven to jack.
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Old 10-14-2005, 08:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Oh, I didn't see that he reraised preflop. In that case I think your play may be a bit too strong. I mean, you're reraising a check-raise from a player who reraised preflop. You're basically advertising that you can beat A-A or K-K when you probably have him almost dead.
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Old 10-14-2005, 09:21 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Oh, I didn't see that he reraised preflop. In that case I think your play may be a bit too strong. I mean, you're reraising a check-raise from a player who reraised preflop. You're basically advertising that you can beat A-A or K-K when you probably have him almost dead.
Yes, but those people can't get away from their hands, because they often think the person has AJ or some crap like that. This type of player WILL pay you off, just as we saw
Dealer: bencathers has two pair, Aces and Deuces
Dealer: Tbags has two pair, Kings and Jacks
Dealer: Tbags finished the tournament in 256th place
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Old 10-14-2005, 11:07 PM #8 (permalink)  
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this is a classic. very good read on ur opponent and beautifully put into action.
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Old 10-15-2005, 01:18 AM #9 (permalink)  
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i call the flop raise, then proceed to out play him for his stack on the turn/river, most likely the river.
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Old 10-15-2005, 09:51 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Great flop for you, a weak raise on the flop with position is the right move here. Very much so with his check-raise on the flop and horrid (weak) reraise preflop.
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Old 10-15-2005, 11:54 AM #11 (permalink)  

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Yeah his min riase is suggesting he's trying to trap you, so let him. A decent player would be able to lay down the KK there.
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Old 10-15-2005, 05:18 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Yeah his min riase is suggesting he's trying to trap you, so let him. A decent player would be able to lay down the KK there.
Again ill repeat it. At high stakes short handed no one lays down an overpair on the flop.
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Old 10-15-2005, 06:31 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Call and check-raise the turn.

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Old 10-17-2005, 03:02 AM #14 (permalink)  
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his min raise is dumb, hes afraid if he bets too much he will scare you away, but instead he reraies you the min 2.5 to call a 9.5 pot = ez, your almost even getting correct odds to play 9-T vs his KK Great post flop play.
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