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KillsAids
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09-26-2008, 04:05 PM
Post subject: TPTK deep, 3way
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Hero is BB
SB is 27/6/2.6
UTG+2 is 44/18/2.8
I usually 3b AK, but like to add some deception at times. I think I should've raised flop now that I've flatted pre, but UTG+2 can also give me action with how loose he is. thoughts?
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FLOP ($8.50) 5 6 A
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Deanglow
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1. you aren't deep
2. reraise preflop
3. go allin
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You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?
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Miffed22001
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You've hear preflop above.
Doing anything but folding the flop is bonkers as played, and you should have raised the flop anyway.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?
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why?
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?
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You can 3b a bet, you can only raise it (preflop the initial bet is the blind)
just a minor terminology thing
but no, I don't see that
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JinxT4
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?
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You can 3b a bet, you can only raise it (preflop the initial bet is the blind)
just a minor terminology thing
but no, I don't see that |
Do you mean "can't"? If so, then your statement seems to contradict itself. A pre-flop raise (as in what SB did) is a raise. Unless I'm mistaken, raising that (which KillsAids said he usually does) is called a 3bet.
KillsAids, not 3betting pf is fine, but why didn't you raise that flop? As played, I prob fold.
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[04:18] <+Bbickes> do u has teh agoraphobia?
[04:18] <+fat> im agressive yes
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KillsAids
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Originally Posted by JinxT4
KillsAids, not 3betting pf is fine, but why didn't you raise that flop? As played, I prob fold.
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yup I think flatting the flop was bad here, probably should bet/fold or whatever. I don't think I made that big of a mistake pre though...
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Originally Posted by JinxT4
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?
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You can 3b a bet, you can only raise it (preflop the initial bet is the blind)
just a minor terminology thing
but no, I don't see that |
Do you mean "can't"? If so, then your statement seems to contradict itself. A pre-flop raise (as in what SB did) is a raise. Unless I'm mistaken, raising that (which KillsAids said he usually does) is called a 3bet.
KillsAids, not 3betting pf is fine, but why didn't you raise that flop? As played, I prob fold. |
I mean you can't 3bet a bet, you can only 3bet a raise.
A bet is something you can only do post-flop. So if you are betting on the flop, you can be RAISED by the first player and 3-bet by the third player. You know, that's why it's called a THREE bet because three bets went in.
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Im_new
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Full House
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by JinxT4
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
You see why 3b preflop makes this decision so much easier?
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You can 3b a bet, you can only raise it (preflop the initial bet is the blind)
just a minor terminology thing
but no, I don't see that |
Do you mean "can't"? If so, then your statement seems to contradict itself. A pre-flop raise (as in what SB did) is a raise. Unless I'm mistaken, raising that (which KillsAids said he usually does) is called a 3bet.
KillsAids, not 3betting pf is fine, but why didn't you raise that flop? As played, I prob fold. |
I mean you can't 3bet a bet, you can only 3bet a raise.
A bet is something you can only do post-flop. So if you are betting on the flop, you can be RAISED by the first player and 3-bet by the third player. You know, that's why it's called a THREE bet because three bets went in. |
Wait.... what? I always thought a 3-bet was when you re-raised 3 x the bet of someone who acted before you on a given street.... As in: Johnny bet $1. Timmy 3-bet Johnny, making it $3 dollars to go...
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Stacks
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A 3bet is a re-raise. That is preflop the intial bet is the big blind. And if someone puts in more money it's considered a raise. Therefore, if you make it even more to go, then that is a re-raise, or 3bet.
Postflop there isn't an initial bet yet. So if you lead the flop then that is a bet. And if villain raises, it is considered just that, a raise. So if you re-raise then you are 3betting him. So your line was b/3b.
I think that's right, maybe someone else can explain it better.
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kmind
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what the hell is going on. How can hero not literally 3bet preflop? Am I missing something?
action went bet (blinds)/raise/now we can 3bet wtf
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Stacks
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Originally Posted by kmind
what the hell is going on. How can hero not literally 3bet preflop? Am I missing something?
action went bet (blinds)/raise/now we can 3bet wtf
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Preflop had hero re-raised SB that would be a 3bet, and I thought we were all in agreement on that. A few individuals were referring to postflop, and what it would be called had he raised SBs c-bet on the flop. And that is just referred to as a raise and not a 3bet.
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Im_new
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.....funny how this thread has turned into one about terminology and not about the OP's dilemma....
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kmind
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yeah I understand I don't understand what iopq is talking about because he seemed to clearly be talking about preflop
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BankItDrew
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don't slowplay when you have players this terrible at the table so pump it pre is obv.
as played, i hate flatting the flop after the 3 bet to $30 because it's not often that this sort of action includes three hands that can't beat TPTK.
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Keilah
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I bet SB has AK/AQ and UTG+2 has low cards like 56 or 87.
guys,
3bet = reraise. simple.
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