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Clar17y
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09-05-2007, 12:01 AM
Post subject: TPTK against PFR in the CO/BTN
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Straight
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($56.80)
BB ($32.05)
UTG ($71)
UTG+1 ($8.35)
MP1 ($26.10)
MP2 ($28.50)
MP3 ($38.85)
CO ($62.15)
Button ($49.25)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , Q .
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Button raises to $2.5, Hero calls $2.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $2.
Flop: ($8) Q, 3 , 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button bets $5.5, Hero ?
Is it best to just call here and try to induce another bluff on the turn? Any card but a K i'm figuring is good.
I figure the board is pretty dry...
What if i had position, he raised pre-flop, i call and he bets out on the same flop when i have the same hole cards?
Clar
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bigspenda73
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You can lead the flop
I'd rather 3bet PF or I guess make a nitty fold, do you have any reads on his BTN opening range?
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Clar17y
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He'd only been there like two orbits and the other times he was in CO/BTN he had raises infront of him so no not really. He was fairly tight and had a PFR of around 10%.
I tend to find leading the flop just gives away info on your hand as i seemingly only lead if i have hit the flop. In this instance i check raised, but i was just wondering if you agree it kinda turns up your hand to lead out?
I did think about 3 betting PF, but this was one of the occasions i chose to call OOP instead of raise :P
What would happen if i had position on him and he lead out? Is it best to raise there, or call to keep the pot small and see if he fires again?
Clar
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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calling OOP is much worse than calling in position. It's tough enough to play OOP, but now you have no idea what his hand range is.
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Deanglow
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Raise to $17 and find out where you're at as played.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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c/r'ing this is just the wrong line.
Bet the flop.
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Dashi
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As played raise to $15-17, you must find out if he has you beat, cheaper to do it now than on the river.
In the future never check/raise with TPTK. If you feel it turns your hand face up, then your not varying your play enough. Lead out with 2/3 psb when not holding TPTK. Keep in mind most flops miss most people.
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Ash256
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Ayo, what about c/c flop bet 1/2 pot on turn? We're in a disgusting flop, it's difficult working out a line that loses us the least when we're behind, which is why I really hate c/r here.
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Deanglow
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I also hate a checkraise here; bet $6 on the flop and 3/4 on any turn. If he raises the flop you have a serious decision.
I don't mind a fold PF either.
I don't think betting this flop turns your hand face up. When in your spot, I lead for 3/4 pot with AQ, a set, and often a midpair to see if it's still good.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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dont c/r here. Call the flop then 3/4 the turn and from that make a decision for the river.
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PokerPatNEU
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If we lead this flop what do we do when we're raised? Fold?
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by PokerPatNEU
If we lead this flop what do we do when we're raised? Fold?
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how many people raise AQ in this position when led into from an oop player?
Not a lot, so you only get raised by a better hand.
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