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Renton
Old 06-03-2006, 10:36 PM     Post subject: Tough hands... #1 (permalink)  
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 ***** Hand History for Game 4423861197 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, June 02, 16:36:08 ET 2006
Table Table 107467 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Zygapophysis ( $284.65 )
Seat 3: Coop33 ( $112.65 )
Seat 4: Shmack111 ( $187.84 )
Seat 5: TheyBeSuited ( $172.20 )
Seat 6: La_Gators ( $83.53 )
Seat 2: Beelzeboz0 ( $211.05 )
TheyBeSuited posts small blind [$1].
La_Gators posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ Qc Qh ]

Zygapophysis folds.
Beelzeboz0 raises [$7].
Shmack111 calls [$7].
TheyBeSuited folds.
La_Gators calls [$5].

** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, 8c, 4s ]

La_Gators checks.
Beelzeboz0 bets [$13].
Shmack111 calls [$13].
La_Gators calls [$13].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]

La_Gators checks.
Beelzeboz0 checks.
Shmack111 bets [$45].
La_Gators folds.
Beelzeboz0 calls [$45].

** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]

Beelzeboz0 checks.
Shmack111 is all-In.
Beelzeboz0 folds.



I was a little scared when I got two callers on this board (no draws), and that maybe overpair wasn't good. I decided to go for a c/c or c/r on the turn depending on what they'd do. Shmack111 bet really big, so I figured he either had a J or was bluffing me, so I wasn't about to lay down. There was no way I could call this river against an unknown. What do you do?



***** Hand History for Game 4426705169 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, June 02, 22:15:59 ET 2006
Table Table 107174 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: macattack4 ( $112.10 )
Seat 3: tdw6008 ( $450 )
Seat 5: yuchingweng ( $264.25 )
Seat 6: sousasd ( $152.99 )
Seat 7: tommy1550 ( $388.92 )
Seat 8: ATLrealtor ( $219 )
Seat 9: medstudtrade ( $93.85 )
Seat 1: Beelzeboz0 ( $282.80 )
Seat 10: CHECKMATElol ( $228.15 )
Seat 4: rob123b ( $210.75 )
CHECKMATElol posts small blind [$1].
Beelzeboz0 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ Qs Qd ]

macattack4 folds.
tdw6008 calls [$2].
rob123b folds.
yuchingweng folds.
sousasd calls [$2].
tommy1550 calls [$2].
ATLrealtor folds.
medstudtrade folds.
CHECKMATElol raises [$13].
Beelzeboz0 calls [$12].
tdw6008 folds.
sousasd calls [$12].
tommy1550 calls [$12].

** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, 5h, 7c ]

CHECKMATElol bets [$20].
Beelzeboz0 raises [$60].
sousasd folds.
tommy1550 calls [$60].
CHECKMATElol raises [$160].
Beelzeboz0 folds.



This is full ring by the way. Villain is unknown. The flop raise and laydown are standard here right?





***** Hand History for Game 4428757477 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, June 03, 02:23:27 ET 2006
Table Raise Over (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: littlesirk ( $403.45 )
Seat 4: Beelzeboz0 ( $360.55 )
Seat 7: Glo_Sol ( $139.36 )
Seat 9: roadblock32 ( $193.25 )
Seat 5: Caziel ( $184.25 )
Seat 3: bosvera ( $193.59 )
Seat 1: pumaraton65 ( $206.05 )
Seat 8: Arcan ( $123 )
Seat 10: diddy74 ( $198 )
Caziel posts small blind [$1].
Glo_Sol posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Beelzeboz0 [ 5c Ac ]

Arcan calls [$2].
roadblock32 folds.
diddy74 calls [$2].
pumaraton65 calls [$2].
littlesirk folds.
bosvera folds.
Beelzeboz0 calls [$2].
Caziel folds.
Glo_Sol checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, 9h, Ad ]

Glo_Sol checks.
muckyourAces has joined the table.
Arcan bets [$10].
diddy74 folds.
pumaraton65 folds.
Beelzeboz0 calls [$10].
Glo_Sol folds.

** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]

Arcan is all-In.
Beelzeboz0 calls [$111].





Villain is unknown. I know at face value this looks like a pretty dumb call here but here were my thoughts:

1. Why on earth would someone bet so hard with such a great hand like 99/JJ/Ax. They'd want to value bet and get as much value out of a 9 or a J as possible.

2. A bad lag with a combo draw like Th8h/JhXh is capable of making this play.

3. I have seen people run bad bluffs here with missed pocket pairs.

4. Someone wouldn't limp AJ+ UTG more often than not.

4. Even IF he has the case Ace, chances are its not a nine kicker or higher.

Basically I was looking at a percentage of the time he was bluffing, a percentage of the time where he had a flush draw, a percentage of the time where we were splitting with only our aces playing, and finally a percentage of the time he has a boat or a big ace. I figured to be good against his range.
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Old 06-04-2006, 12:53 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1, bet more on the flop and bet the turn. As played, c/r ai on turn.

Hand 2, I like 3-betting preflop. If you just call, chances are it will be a multiway pot, which will make it very awkward for you with a hand like QQ oop.

Hand 3, I don't like the call with no read.
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Old 06-04-2006, 01:09 AM     Post subject: Re: Tough hands... #3 (permalink)  
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1. Why on earth would someone bet so hard with such a great hand like 99/JJ/Ax. They'd want to value bet and get as much value out of a 9 or a J as possible.
A lot of players bet like this with the nuts when they think their opponent potentially has a very strong hand like trips. I wouldn't call this unless I knew my opponent was a real moron.
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Old 06-04-2006, 01:17 AM #4 (permalink)  
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why no reraise? Your stack is deep enough that your not getting committed too easily here with nearly 150bbs behind.
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i like the thinking. Ive looked at this HH and villain has $123, so hasnt reloaded. Im definatly calling because i smell a fish.
Dont strictly agree with the comment on AJ utg, i play it like that because i burn money raising normally and cant fold an AJ strength hand.
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