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Old 04-01-2005, 10:05 AM     Post subject: top set versus nut straight on the flop #1 (permalink)  
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on a pre-flop raised hand, the flop comes giving me top set of jacks. the guy raises i re-raise him all in and he flips over a straight 10 Q. Is there any way for me to see this coming or did I make the right move going all-in? 10 Q is not normally a hand youd play in a raised flop.


***** Hand History for Game 1826927257 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Friday, April 01, 05:55:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 36731 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: cashplague ( $333.1 )
Seat 4: spino1i ( $180 )
Seat 5: YOKE78 ( $502.78 )
Seat 6: chinaman628 ( $105.5 )
Seat 7: baku1 ( $263.45 )
Seat 9: dmoney18711 ( $283.9 )
Seat 10: hummmmin ( $270.85 )
Seat 8: amberman11 ( $218 )
Seat 1: igetslucky ( $210.75 )
Seat 2: All_in12345 ( $33.8 )
cashplague posts small blind [$1].
spino1i posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to spino1i [ Jh Jd ]
>You have options at Table 36734 Table!.
YOKE78 folds.
chinaman628 folds.
baku1 calls [$2].
amberman11 folds.
dmoney18711 folds.
hummmmin calls [$2].
>You have options at Table 36543 Table!.
igetslucky raises [$8].
All_in12345 folds.
cashplague folds.
>You have options at Table 38146 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36543 Table!.
spino1i calls [$6].
baku1 calls [$6].
hummmmin calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Jc, 9d ]
>You have options at Table 36543 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36734 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36543 Table!.
spino1i bets [$2].
baku1 calls [$2].
hummmmin calls [$2].
igetslucky raises [$16].
spino1i calls [$14].
>You have options at Table 38146 Table!.
baku1 raises [$73].
hummmmin folds.
igetslucky folds.
spino1i is all-In [$156]
baku1 calls [$97].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
>You have options at Table 36543 Table!.
baku1 shows [ Tc, Qc ] a straight, nine to king.
spino1i doesn't show [ Jh, Jd ] three of a kind, jacks.
baku1 wins $392 from the main pot with a straight,
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Old 04-01-2005, 11:23 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Did you have a read on this guy before the hand? I mean he originally was going to limp in with his QT, but then called a 4XBB raise from early position with the hand. Sounds to me like a mediocre player that hit his miracle flop and wanted to slow play it. It looks like he was content to slow-play it and milk everything he could out of the hand, until that jackass igetslucky had to push the pot (probably with two overcards or maybe an overpair).

I think your main problem was that you had to play this hand UTG against probably an overpair and a flopped straight. I'm not so sure I would have fired back with the all-in bet at the guy with the straight. His over-the-top re-raise of the first re-raise has to be a big red flag. That is really a signal that someone has a monster and was looking for action. When he got the action from igetslucky, he pushed. Here is where you have to consider the possibility that he hit the straight, and you may have an excruciatingly tough laydown here. Again though, it depends on your read of the player.
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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You were 33% to make a full house AND you had a hand that only loses to one other set of hole cards.

Now, tell me that you think a fold would be proper.

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Old 04-01-2005, 02:42 PM #4 (permalink)  
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you had a hand that only loses to one other set of hole cards.
Well QT and T7 make straights. But I hear ya...
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Old 04-02-2005, 03:19 AM #5 (permalink)  
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no one would call that big of a pre-flop raise with T7, or at least, its not likely
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