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Anosmic
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08-21-2006, 09:37 AM
Post subject: Top set, with LAG
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Thoughts? Opponent is horribly LAG.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
CO ($20.80)
Button ($31.63)
SB ($20.20)
BB ($59.23)
Hero ($38.30)
UTG+1 ($23.55)
MP1 ($7.79)
MP2 ($56.77)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q , Q . SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25, 2 folds, BB calls $1.
Flop: ($5.10) Q , 4, 5 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.5, MP2 raises to $5, CO folds, BB folds, Hero calls $2.50.
Turn: ($15.10) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $6, Hero raises to $14, MP2 calls $8.
River: ($43.10) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $18, MP2 calls $18.
Final Pot: $79.10
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Halv
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Bet bigger on flop and turn, we are deep and want to get as much as possible in the pot before scare cards hit. I probably 3-bet flop and lead turn, keeping it simple.
I don't like the turn c/r, his flop minraise is often a flush draw that will take a free card.
And finally, if he has A3/63 I'm paying.
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Pelion
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make the river a little bigger aswell. He'll call at least half pot if he calls anything.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Anosmic
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Actually, that was all I had (apparently I hadn't slid my slider all the way right because it wasn't all in, I could have bet $18.05).
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Miffed22001
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river is a push. bet more on turn to allow river to be a half-pot size push.
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Anosmic
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
river is a push. bet more on turn to allow river to be a half-pot size push.
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Erm? So like I did then?
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Anosmic
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Originally Posted by HalvSame
Bet bigger on flop and turn, we are deep and want to get as much as possible in the pot before scare cards hit. I probably 3-bet flop and lead turn, keeping it simple.
I don't like the turn c/r, his flop minraise is often a flush draw that will take a free card.
And finally, if he has A3/63 I'm paying.
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The more I think about it the more I see that this play was completely stupid.
There's a good chance of a semi-bluff here and calling the re-raise and checking the turn is just as likely to give away a free card as entice a bet.
The thing is if I bet more on the flop doesn't that mean that my c-bets also have to be the same size more or less?
What would be a good 3-bet here? $10? $15?
Result was that he had A3. Which sucked.
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vqc
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i 3 bet the flop and dont see any reason as to why we wouldnt.
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Halv
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
The thing is if I bet more on the flop doesn't that mean that my c-bets also have to be the same size more or less?
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This is why we don't want to c-bet bluff in multiway, drawheavy pots. In general I like to vary both my (bluffing) cbets and "legitimate" bets from half pot to full pot depending on the opponents/flop texture.
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What would be a good 3-bet here? $10? $15?
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I'd say 15$. From there on it should not be difficult to get AI on later streets.
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Result was that he had A3. Which sucked.
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I think a horrible LAG will show down much lesser holdings here very often. Turn action might indicate a monster, but I don't think there is any way we can get away from this hand. We got all in with top set on a relatively safe board and should be happy.
Remember to take appropriate notes on him for the next time he minraises a gutshot on a twotone flop.
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drtofu66
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
Result was that he had A3. Which sucked.
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Just curious--   at least? Sad that he stumbled into the disguised part of his draw but at least he had a real draw if that's the hand he had.
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zook
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Originally Posted by vqc
i 3 bet the flop and dont see any reason as to why we wouldnt.
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Me too, especially against an aggressive opp.
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takesix
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08-23-2006, 06:26 PM
Post subject: Re: Top set, with LAG
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I like the 1/2 pot flop bet if you were expecting a re-raise to push over top of that.
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Anosmic
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Originally Posted by drtofu66
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
Result was that he had A3. Which sucked.
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Just curious-- at least? Sad that he stumbled into the disguised part of his draw but at least he had a real draw if that's the hand he had. |
Hee hee. A3s? Are you kidding?
We don't need no stinking sooted cards here.
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I like the 1/2 pot flop bet if you were expecting a re-raise to push over top of that.
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Yes. And I thought I was safe that I could just call. Didn't appreciate the danger.
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drtofu66
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08-23-2006, 08:03 PM
Post subject: Re: Top set, with LAG
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
Hee hee. A3s? Are you kidding?
We don't need no stinking sooted cards here.
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Somehow I missed this. 
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