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allabout
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05-21-2009, 12:51 AM
Post subject: Top 2 pair deep stacked
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: VA USA
Posts: 277
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This guy is pretty unknown to me but I have him at 28/11 over 250 hands. He's been bitching at the table lately about not hitting any hands and crap, so not sure if he's capable of a move here. Haven't seen him c/raise at all and if he's paying attention he would see that I'm playing 17/12ish at this table.
Should I have raised the turn? I was honestly a little confused at this point. Figured I'm crushed or he's bluffing and didn't really want to get it in 230 bbs deep.
Button ($86.55)
SB ($248.55)
BB ($197.65)
UTG ($224.09)
Hero (UTG+1) ($235.70)
MP1 ($227.05)
MP2 ($35.35)
CO ($100)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J , A
1 fold, Hero bets $4, 4 folds, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($9) 4 , J, 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB raises to $14, Hero calls $9
Turn: ($37) A (2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero calls $22
River: ($81) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $62, Hero calls $62
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pokerfan
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4-of-a-Kind
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looks like a set IMO. I play the same and pay that man his money.
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badgers
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4-of-a-Kind
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looks standard nh
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ballarat, Australia
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Looks like a good flop to bluff c/r you, and a bad flop to raise with a set (you have about the only hand other than QQ+ you'd continue with that he'd get value from). I cant see any reason to raise at any point.
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bikes
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I really can't see anything to do but fold this river.
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oskar
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Against a standard TAG, I fold the river. Here it really depends if I think this guy could be bluff raising the flop with A high, and then thinks he can bet aces for value... a 28/11 is very unlikely to think about your calling range.
Folding the river is still pretty gross if he plays 34 the same with the same frequency as a set or AA - if he does, it's a call, but most villains slow down with bottom 2 once the A comes.
Also the faster he bets the river, the more likely I am to fold.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
I really can't see anything to do but fold this river.
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yea, or sicko bluff shove
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oskar
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by Bbickes
I really can't see anything to do but fold this river.
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yea, or sicko bluff shove |
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This guy is pretty unknown to me but I have him at 28/11
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not so good imo. 
Not sure how you want to rep a 5 here either.
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golfguy37
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Straight
Join Date: May 2009
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There arene't a lot of hands that can beat you unless he had a set. I'd say he had a worse two pair or J - K. Some people start to play reckless after losing for a while.
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Technobabble
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Join Date: May 2009
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I reckon sometimes you have to call this type of bet - you can't fold top 2 pair everytime. But I dont think this is one of those times.
Check-Raise on the flop, value bet on the turn - it's all showing strength. Fold, and save your money for a better looking call.
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allabout
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: VA USA
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Ya I thought about folding the river, but it was just so gross, and he seemed a little frustrated so I thought he could easily be steamed and just bluffing. Which he was, but he got there on the river.  Just wanted to be sure I was thinking it through correctly. Thanks.
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"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Elmer Letterman
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like it looks like 65 because there is no reason for him to slow down on the turn because an ace is a great card to rep or 52s if he plays that to a raise since those are the only draws he could be semi-bluffing
the rest of his range is 43, 44, 33, JJ and out of that you beat 43
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etsocaL
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Join Date: May 2009
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for me it looks standard
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