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Warpe
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03-22-2006, 07:12 PM
Post subject: Top 2 on the flop...
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I put villain on AA/KK immediately pre-flop but my hand was pretty to look at...
Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $66.15
Hero: $73.99
MP1: $51.34
MP2: $47.25
MP3: $12.55
CO: $52.95
Button: $57.15
SB: $45.62
BB: $112.35
Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J Q
UTG raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 4 folds, Button raises to $4.5, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.5, Hero calls $3.5.
Flop: J 4 Q ($14.25, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $10, Button raises to $20, UTG folds, Hero ????
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Greedo017
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if you're going to bet into him like that, you best be ready to get it all in. and, i see no reason to be scared here. i'm pushing and hoping for a call.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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Warpe
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I pushed, he called, ace came on the turn to give him his set.
Results aside, did I have any business calling this pre-flop?
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Greedo017
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not unless you had some particular reason to. i'm experimenting with calling with hands like this every once in a while when i think the raiser is really bad post-flop, i haven't decided if i like it yet.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Results aside, did I have any business calling this pre-flop?
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Not really. If you flopped a draw, you would have had horrible odds to see it through, since villain is gonna be betting AA hard. Generally the only drawing hands I call AA reraises with are underpairs.
Also its relevant to know that you didn't have as much equity on the flop as you might have thought. He has about a 30 percent chance to draw out on you with AA (5 outs turn, 8 outs river). Which is another reason why its bad to call this preflop.
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nutsinho
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I "have business" calling with almost any 2 if i'm 100% sure villain has AA/KK
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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Renton
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I "have business" calling with almost any 2 if i'm 100% sure villain has AA/KK
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are you suggesting that barely 10:1 implied odds are enough for you to try to suck out on AA with any two?
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Pelion
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Yea push it. I just had a similar hand with a slightly bigger flop pot. I raised PF with QQ to $1. Tight-reraiser comes over the top of me to $3. I know he has AA/KK. Flop comes Q high with 2 clubs. I bet just over half pot expecting him to push me off my 'draw'. He pushes  .
Renton. Thats a $3.5o call to win $58
Thats way better than 10:1. With very big stacks it is +EV to call with any 2 if you definatly know what villain holds. I dont think I would have called there but it probably works out +EV if your 100% confident in your read.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Miffed22001
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$10 ish pot
$3.5 to call
Im going fishing here.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Renton
Also its relevant to know that you didn't have as much equity on the flop as you might have thought. He has about a 30 percent chance to draw out on you with AA (5 outs turn, 8 outs river). Which is another reason why its bad to call this preflop.
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Yeah, any board pair other than mine plus his aces, whereas I have only 4 outs to improve on this particular hand...although you don't know that pre-flop, do ya? 
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STIdrivr
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folding pre flop in early position to a raise would of got you out of this situation, after that you played it fine.
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Robert
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I call the UTG raise, and I might fold to the button reraise, but to be honest I would be inclined to call. Anyways, its an easy push on the flop, almost any villain will call a push here with AA/KK and you dont want a turn that can kill your action (a Q or a club).
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Renton
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by Renton
Also its relevant to know that you didn't have as much equity on the flop as you might have thought. He has about a 30 percent chance to draw out on you with AA (5 outs turn, 8 outs river). Which is another reason why its bad to call this preflop.
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Yeah, any board pair other than mine plus his aces, whereas I have only 4 outs to improve on this particular hand...although you don't know that pre-flop, do ya? |
Didn't you though? You said you put him on AA/KK. The easiest way for JQ to suckout on AA is to flop two pair.
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