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drtofu66

09-03-2005, 02:05 PM Post subject: Is this too weak a laydown?

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Join Date: Apr 2005

Posts: 595

I'm just starting out in PL. Table is tight PF, with people folding to EP raises but without a raise, there's usualy a limper or two. No specific opponent reads.

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP3 ($24.97)
CO ($32.30)
Button ($24.08)
SB ($24.95)
BB ($20.10)
UTG ($36.55)
Hero ($26.10)
UTG+2 ($14.33)
MP1 ($27.35)
MP2 ($24.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7

, 7

. SB posts a blind of $0.10. MP1 posts a blind of $0.35.
1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 (poster) raises to $0.25, MP2 raises to $1, 5 folds, Hero folds, MP1 calls $0.50.

Flop: ($2.70) K

, 7

, 9

(2 players)
MP1 bets $0.5, MP2 calls $0.50.

Turn: ($3.70) J

(2 players)
MP1 bets $1, MP2 calls $1.

River: ($5.70) Q

(2 players)
MP1 bets $5.45, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: $11.15

In retrospect, that was a weak raise and an almost as weak re-raise but they both had position on me and if I don't get my set on the flop I'd have been folding anyway. Would it have been worth calling an additonal 3 small bets to see the flop with only 2 others in the pot with you? If there were 1 or 2 other limpers or callers I think I might have.

I actually don't feel bad about this one. No telling if MP1 would have been pushed out even if I potted each betting round. By the river, I was probably up against at least a bigger set or a straight (MP1's pot bet on the river screams a set of Queens. Maybe AT). Had I stayed in, I'd probably have lost half my stack or more. What hand do you folks put MP1 on? AsTs or QQ is what I'm thinking. Maybe Qsxs but I doubt that (though on Party, it's hard to put it past them). No way you get someone off a flush draw in limit, but is PL any different in that regard?

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lowBoy

09-05-2005, 03:38 AM

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Join Date: Feb 2005

Posts: 513

Don't fold this preflop. At the low low price of 75 cents, you've got implied odds through the stack sizes.

Your logic - "no telling if MP1 would have been pushed out" - is flawed... yeah, you don't know if he would have stayed or folded, but if you put in pot sized bets and got called, it would be +EV for you and -EV for anyone drawing, even with QQ or AT, which is what you most likely put them on.

Personally, I think MP2 was on a flush draw or was a loose/weak player with a pair. MP1 either hit his straight and got overzealous, but I think more likely was on the flush draw as well and decided to get ballsy with it.

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