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sarbox68

12-31-2007, 08:41 PM Post subject: Too weak?

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Got about 20K hands of $10NL in at Full Tilt and I'm getting pissed off. The same game that consistently has me up $300 at the same stakes at UB is slightly ahead at FT ONLY because I'm pulling bonus and rake-back. So I'm back posting hands trying to fix this... have been running around 14/8.5/3.5. Will just shut up and post hands now....

Hand 1:
Finding a lot of micro-stacks at FT, far more than UB. Many times 50%+ of my table is sitting w/ less than 25BB. Here's an example where I just can't see dropping my QQ, even tho' I'm not thrilled about being AI 3-way on two shorties. Fold to the 3-bet? Happens more times than would like w/ hands I'd never go AI deep w/ PF.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($11.20)
MP3 ($1.75)
CO ($10.75)
Button ($3.70)
SB ($2.55)
BB ($12.05)
UTG ($2.85)
UTG+1 ($4.75)
MP1 ($1.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q

, Q

.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, MP3 raises to $1.35, 2 folds, SB raises to $2.35, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.65, MP3 calls $0.40 (All-In), SB calls $0.25 (All-In).

Flop: ($7.05) K

, 4

, K

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($7.05) 7

(3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($7.05) 5

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $7.05

Hand #2:
Another shortie playing "fold, check or push". C-bet, but then should I lay down the OESD w/ no implied odds?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($2.50)
UTG ($5.65)
UTG+1 ($3.55)
MP1 ($5.40)
Hero ($9.30)
MP3 ($9.10)
CO ($12.05)
Button ($10)
SB ($1.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with

.
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 4 folds, BB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($0.85)

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.6, BB raises to $2.1 (All-In), Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($8.88)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($8.88)

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $5.05

Hand# 3:
Lay down TPTK against a FD? My push was just easier than typing in the right bet to raise him and try and deny drawing odds.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($10.70)
Button ($7.65)
SB ($1.75)
BB ($2.25)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($9.95)
MP1 ($7.20)
MP2 ($1.90)
MP3 ($2.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with

.
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($0.85)

(3 players)
BB bets $0.4, Hero raises to $10.3 (All-In), BB calls $1.45 (All-In).

Turn: ($4.55)

(3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($4.55)

(3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $4.55

Hand #4 & #5:

Under pairs. I know the turn checks scream weak, but double-barrelling underpairs isn't my thing (maybe it should be?) I assumed the River was a made flush in both cases....

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

CO ($7)
Button ($1.85)
SB ($15.35)
BB ($3.80)
Hero ($14.35)
UTG+1 ($8.80)
MP1 ($7.65)
MP2 ($4.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with

.
Hero raises to $0.4, 6 folds, BB calls $0.30.

Flop: ($0.85)

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.85, BB calls $0.85.

Turn: ($2.55)

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($2.55)

(2 players)
BB bets $2.55 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $2.55

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

MP2 ($3.55)
CO ($11.80)
Button ($9.75)
SB ($10.55)
BB ($7.45)
Hero ($9.90)
UTG+1 ($1.50)
MP1 ($4.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with

.
Hero raises to $0.4, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.40, 5 folds.

Flop: ($0.95)

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.8, MP1 calls $0.80.

Turn: ($2.55)

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($2.55)

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2.55, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $2.55

Me thinks I fold therefore I suck.....

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daven

12-31-2007, 11:04 PM Post subject: Re: Too weak?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sarbox68

have been running around 14/8.5/3.5. Will just shut up and post hands now....

The hands don't look bad, but stop imagining every flop cold-call is a set - sometimes it is a draw and you gotta fire again (bet-fold turn is a good line to include in your repertoire!)

Your stats are ok pre-flop (although I love playing people who have PFR <10, or a gap between VPIP and PFR that's as big as yours - aim for 14-11-4), seems as though your leaks are likely post-flop. Are you paying off with overpairs just as often as your sets get paid off? this is a common, and huge!, leak

I'll check to see if I have hands on you, but I only stalled very briefly at 10nl on FT

Deanglow

12-31-2007, 11:27 PM

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All of these look very standard and I can't see myself doing much different on any of them.

14/8.5/3.5 are fine stats for full ring. I run 16/11 and the best players I know are about 12-15/8-11.

Fnord

01-01-2008, 04:01 AM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

I'm 17/11 in FR

That said, I just took a shitload of hands out of my cold-call range. Sorry Ed Miller, but online != live.

In hand 4 I think a 6 is about the only card where I'm not shoving the turn and even then my first thought was to shove anyway.

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