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Pants_101
Old 09-13-2007, 09:00 PM     Post subject: Too strong on the flop? (25NL) #1 (permalink)  
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Wondering about my flop play here, is my raise too strong? QT and Q8 are in these player's ranges in a limped pot as are str8 and flush draws. My read on UTG is he is a ridiculous slowplayer. Seen him butcher hands where he has the nuts and gets no value at all. So when the Q comes on the turn and he makes the mind boggling bet I just call. A lot of hands I was beating just zoomed into the lead. Likewise his check on the river is not necessarily weakness.

Question - if a safe card comes on the turn what's your play? We may be ahead we may be beat it's very hard to say. Should I try to check down against a known slow playa?


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Stack sizes:
UTG: $19.53
UTG+1: $29.59
MP1: $31.37
MP2: $32.82
Hero: $24.90
CO: $4.40
Button: $29.8
SB: $23.5
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with T 8
UTG calls, UTG+1, folds, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 folds, Hero calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 8 T Q ($1.5, 6 players)
SB bets $0.75, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: Q ($11, 2 players)
UTG bets $0.25, Hero calls.

River: 7 ($11.5, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $11.5
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 its fine, you need to protect your hand here as it vulnerable and lots of hands will not fold.
turn sucked, i think you probably cant do anything other than check fold unless opp does something daft like he did.
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 Dunno if I limp 8Ten o from MP, but that's me...
that's quite a big flop re-raise, I probably raise to $3 here. Turn, with this pot you can't fold to a min-bet, and you want to showdown as cheaply as possible. Nice call. River, good check behind, don't give villain the chance to check-raise here. I put villain on 9Jack but I doubt you can induce a river fold, or an incredibly poorly played QTen.
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Old 09-14-2007, 02:37 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Folding 8To pf depends on the play of the table... if it is normally as passive as this hand suggests, then I play it ALL DAY LONG.

I actually LIKE the flop overbet, because it LOOKS like a bluff, and obviously our weak/passive UTG player is slow playing a monster when he calls and leads the turn. Shutting down on the turn would've been a LOT harder if a dud hit the turn though. What do you do if the 3 hits the turn instead and UTG still leads out for a min-bet? Are you able to trust your read that he's slow playing and shut down still? I think the fact that he flat calls your overbet on the flop, and that he likes to slow play says LOADS about his range here. Very likely UTG is not calling with JUST a Q here...
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Old 09-14-2007, 04:36 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Folding 8To pf depends on the play of the table... if it is normally as passive as this hand suggests, then I play it ALL DAY LONG.

I actually LIKE the flop overbet, because it LOOKS like a bluff, and obviously our weak/passive UTG player is slow playing a monster when he calls and leads the turn. Shutting down on the turn would've been a LOT harder if a dud hit the turn though. What do you do if the 3 hits the turn instead and UTG still leads out for a min-bet? Are you able to trust your read that he's slow playing and shut down still? I think the fact that he flat calls your overbet on the flop, and that he likes to slow play says LOADS about his range here. Very likely UTG is not calling with JUST a Q here...
Yes! That's what I'm interested in, after he calls my flop bet what is his range and if as you say the 3 of clubs came instead of the queen what is my equity. He also never raises pf so AA and KK are in his range. My feeling is I'm behind his range but I'm interested what others think. The min bet could be the most hideous blocking bet ever devised by a man on a draw as well...
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 Played well. If you're feeling on your game then a turn raise may be better.

T8o is too weak to play. T8s and other speculative hands have too high of reverse odds in a large multiway pot to make them better played as a muck or raise against all but a table full of pure donkeys. I'm sure at Party 25 it's fine.
 
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