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andmunn

06-09-2007, 04:30 AM Post subject: Too Aggressive? - or well played?

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How was this played?

Getting Hand History Information...
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Hand #42331774-31322 at Crystal (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 09/Jun/07 00:25:12

x_GREG_x is at seat 0 with $61.75 (sitting out).
HERO is at seat 1 with $91.55.
Mike Sharke is at seat 2 with $29.45.
Rosenberry is at seat 3 with $33.55 (sitting out).
particle3 is at seat 4 with $33.75.
Brilliant27 is at seat 5 with $22.20.
WWPD71 is at seat 6 with $8.50.
RGuarantee17 is at seat 7 with $14.50.
rekamniar is at seat 8 with $31.80.
hater1 is at seat 9 with $57.10.
The button is at seat 3.

particle3 posts the small blind of $.25.
Brilliant27 posts the big blind of $.50.

HERO: Ac Jc
Mike Sharke: -- --
particle3: -- --
Brilliant27: -- --
WWPD71: -- --
RGuarantee17: -- --
rekamniar: -- --
hater1: -- --

Pre-flop:

WWPD71 folds. RGuarantee17 folds. rekamniar folds.
hater1 folds. HERO raises to $2. Mike Sharke
folds. particle3 calls. Brilliant27 folds.

Flop (board: 6c Td 9s):

particle3 checks. HERO bets $3. particle3 calls.

Turn (board: 6c Td 9s Qc):

particle3 bets $4. HERO raises to $22.50.
particle3 calls.

River (board: 6c Td 9s Qc 8h):

particle3 goes all-in for $6.25. HERO calls.

Showdown:

particle3 shows 8s Qd.
particle3 has 8s Qd Td Qc 8h: two pair, queens and eights.
HERO shows Ac Jc.
HERO has Jc Td 9s Qc 8h: straight, queen high.

Hand #42331774-31322 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $68.
HERO wins $65 with straight, queen high.
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JeffreyGB

06-09-2007, 07:16 AM

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I probably don't c-bet that flop...a lot of calling hands made pairs/draws/better on it.

On the turn, I don't mind the play, since you're basically in the same spot as if you had a single draw on the flop. Assuming you have fold equity (player dependent IMO) to get him to fold a lot of pair hands, I think it's ok.

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Vrax

06-09-2007, 08:12 AM

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C-bet is fine. Heads-up with solid image, you will take it down more often than not. You could make it full pot, it represents made hand much better. Checking behind is a good option too, because lot of turn cards will improve your hand.

I don't like raising this turn. Villain with his donk-block just proved, that he doesn't know much about big-bet poker. He is probably typical weak player, who thinks that $4 to $10 pot is strong.

With TP he is more likely to make weak lead on the flop or c/c flop and check again on turn. I'd just call his weak bet, try to make the hand and bust him - he doesn't look like he's going anywhere, there aren't much FE in this turn raise, however it's still +EV play because you have plenty of outs and don't need great % of folding.

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JeffreyGB

06-09-2007, 03:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vrax

C-bet is fine. Heads-up with solid image, you will take it down more often than not. You could make it full pot, it represents made hand much better.

What flops don't you c-bet? This is a good example to me of a flop that we're likely to get played back on a lot. There are just too many pocket pairs and drawing hands that will look us up. I much prefer checking behind and betting most turns.

Not to be results oriented, but note that Villian didn't believe the c-bet here either, even holding Q-high. Villian's call was pretty bad, but if we don't both find a draw AND hit, we're in a tough spot when he plays back as he did.

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06-09-2007, 07:46 PM

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Not to be results oriented, but note that Villian didn't believe the c-bet here either, even holding Q-high. Villian's call was pretty bad, but if we don't both find a draw AND hit, we're in a tough spot when he plays back as he did.

With that kind of information (loose passive, light flop calls, plays pairs for stacks) it's easy check behind. If board is coordinated AND has flushdraw (or us monotone and I don't have Ace of the suit) then I'd opt not to c-bet.

What boards I don't c-bet

5d6d7d
7s9sTd
4d5dKd

KQxr or other nut gutshot broadway combination - it's also good spot to check behind in position (OOP deep - bet, maybe even 2nd barrel).

Against unknown villain (which I assume is weak tight) I c-bet it anyway because board is rainbow, I can fold out AK/AQ, 22-55. Generally I play uber-tight, and I get folds more than 60% of the time. But maybe I have played against weaktights for too long. Looser opponent who tends to be unbeliver or more thinking TAG's - I check it back and hope to improve.

If villain gets sick of c-bets and start to play back with air, draws and marginal holdings, then it's good outcome. With that stacks and possibly frustrated opponent I would put him AI with any decent hand (tptk, high overpair, maybe TPGK) if he felt like going into pissing contest. It's only matter of time, when he will get destacked.

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